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9/11 Troll Alert

02 July 2011

By Hereward Fenton

Charlie VeitchCoinciding with the approaching 10th anniversary of 9/11, it seems we are experiencing a new campaign to undermine and destroy the 9/11 truth movement.

Truther groups have been buzzing over the past two days with news about the "defection" of Love Police founder Charlie Veitch from the 9/11 truth movement. Charlie claims to have had his mind changed in New York by experts and patriots who convinced him to let go of his paranoid conspiracy delusions and accept that 9/11 was in fact carried out by Al Qaeda after all.

In the light of the possible disruption caused and doubts raised by Veitch, I feel it's important to remind everyone of what I, as webmaster of, the Australian 9/11 Truth Movement, believe and don't believe.

Firstly, let me make it absolutely clear: I don't believe the US Government orchestrated 9/11.

Surprised? Well read on...

When we talk about a bank robbery being an "inside job" we generally mean that someone inside the bank helped make it happen, not that the bank robbed itself. The same kind of reasoning applies to the proposition that 9/11 was an inside job: there may have been a few insiders within the government who enabled it, but the job was probably carried out by an external team of mercenaries. The question of who conceived, planned and funded the operation remains unanswered.

Unfortunately the 9/11 "inside job" theory has come to imply, for many, total complicity and top down orchestration by the government. This revised interpretation of "inside job" is often attributed to 9/11 truthers by those who wish to discredit and silence them. Many truthers don't quite appreciate the nuances of meaning, and allow their views to be characterised in this way. This exposes them to ridicule based on the implausibility of thousands of government employees being involved in a murderous plot and keeping it secret.

I do believe there were people within government who assisted in 9/11, but that is a far cry from saying the Government orchestrated the attack. One of the main reasons I believe there were people within government who assisted is because we have irrefutable evidence that WTC Building 7 was blown up - and it would have been virtually impossible to get access to that building without government clearances.

Another point which strongly suggests complicity by agents within government is the way in which the Bush administration avoided an investigation. They avoided forensic investigations of the building fires and they ducked the majority of questions brought by family members to the 9/11 Commission. Both Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath.

I concede these points do not prove the government "did it", but they raise pertinent questions about certain individuals within government.

I do not believe that "no plane hit the Pentagon".

There is just not enough evidence to support the "no plane at the Pentagon" view. I do believe that the people have a right to see all the available video evidence which would prove the government's thesis that a plane did hit the building. The fact that the government will not provide that evidence once again suggests they are hiding something. This demands investigation.

I do believe that confessed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was tortured. I believe he was waterboarded at least 183 times. This fact itself puts a huge hole in the government's case and provides another irrefutable reason why there needs to be a new independent investigation.

I do believe that top government officials lied about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and also attempted to frame Saddam Hussein for conspiracy in the 9/11 attacks. Such gross dishonesty would lead any sensible person to doubt the veracity of unproven claims about Osama bin Laden and 9/11.

Conspiracy debunkers like to represent the 9/11 truth position in terms of the positive claims made about specific events. They try to conflate all those different claims into a generalised concept of what "truthers" think. Thus, claims about holograms and space beams are combined with theories about the destruction of the twin towers, the Pentagon "flyover" and voice-morphing technology. They often avoid WTC 7, because that is the hardest one to debunk.

The arguments of Charlie Veitch, who recently converted to the official 9/11 conspiracy theory, are illustrative of the "troll debunker" style. Charlie suggests that 9/11 truthers are paranoid and delusional, and that their fertile imaginations are running rampant, leading them to invent fantastic theories about events which have more mundane explanations. He completely neglects the point that much of 9/11 truth consists of analysis of the inconsistencies in the official viewpoint in conjunction with acknowledged facts such as those presented above.

That approach can't be "debunked" at all - so it's ignored.

Building 7 remains a problem though, even for Charlie Veitch, who asserts (based on mysterious un-named sources) that the collapse of WTC 7 can be explained by the damage sustained from the collapse of the twin towers earlier in the day.

It's a convincing argument, only there's a problem - it was rejected in the official NIST report:

"Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7." - NCSTAR 1A, p xxxvii

In closing let me affirm that I remain determined to uphold what we have been fighting for since the beginning of this movement. We need a real investigation. We need to find out what really happened. We need justice. We need reconciliation.


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“I do not believe that “no plane hit the Pentagon”. “

do you have any evidence at all that flight 77, a 757 - hit the pentagon? if you have no evidence at all, and you dont, then your statement.. “I do not believe that “no plane hit the Pentagon”. ” - is about the most stupid thing anyone could ever say.

fentons evidence…
obvious fenton is also a troll. - pointing out facts like this usually results in posts deleted and ip bans..  thats how he rolls

By meh on 2015 01 01 - 08:36:02

That’s an ingellitent answer to a difficult question xxx

By Aril on 2015 02 20 - 04:48:43

, “you know Shawn, we might not be able to save your house, what do you think we should do?”...wouldn’t you find that a liltte bit strange? Assuming of course that you, like Mr. Silverstein, had absolutely no affiliation with or expertise in fighting fires? Or would you proceed to direct the fire chief, over then phone mind you, on whether to proceed with fighting it or pull the fire chiefs men out?  Larry Silverstein, Jewish landlord, financier, and part time psychic fireman safety coordinator for NYFD Secondarily, and less relevant, I have no demolition experience beyond home repair, but I do have a background in linguistics (thanks Noam!) and the only time an English speaking person refers to a human being or group of human beings as “it” tends to be right before they eat them. Perhaps Silverstein is a psychopath, I know liltte else about him so I can’t say, but but violent psychos refer to their victims as objects to dehumanize the experience of killing them. But I don;t think that’s what Larry meant. On that note, as I’ve said before, find me one other example of anyone on the scene on 9/11, or ANY TIME SINCE that has referred to a firefighter or group/contingent/unit of firefighters as “IT”. Not “them”, “they” “him”, “we”, “our”, “us”, but “it”. You can’t find one.  Because most people aren’t psychotic, amen for that.

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Although I agree with many of their ideas, the forces reigned against RAM are too great, violent, statist and reactionary for them to remain a non-political, broad based, multi-ethnic, community protest group for much longer. The Left and their Antifa nihilist fellow travelers are already pushing them towards the extreme Right, by calling them racists and Islamophobes and so on. Whilst the extreme Right have aligned themselves with RAM. With fascists of the Left and Right pressuring them they will not be able to remain beyond the Left-Right divide and will inevitably move to the Right - the extreme Right. Which is already happening. A development which will alienate decent Australians of all ethnic backgrounds many of whom currently support them. 

The RAM leadership have already established open alliances with the Patriotic Front (the ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration) Australia First and Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi party. Members of these collectivist groups are currently attending RAM demonstrations all over Australia.

There is a real need in Australia to establish a political movement beyond the Left-Right divide and their vested interests, a movement that questions the current direction Australia is heading i.e. the direction the Left/Right and their extremes would like to take it; that questions the efficacy of state sponsored multiculturalism, as opposed to a proper, non-discriminatory immigration policy; that questions the validity of political correctness; that is politically neutral, anti-war and pro environment; that is opposed to all collectivists ideologies (fascisms of the Left and Right); that would dismantle the power pyramids of corporations and banks and their ability to impact on government; that would dissolve all anti-terror laws and all laws that impose on the rights and freedom of the individual and the people.   

(The ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration)

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I second Keith’s assertion that Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake.  He bangs on about Halaal being a scam and money maker for Islam (and no I don’t support Halaal whatsoever), but makes excuses for its counterpart Kosher as being a somehow legitimate.  Double standards?  When I confronted him about this fact he went off on a convoluted tirade about Israel being some sort of “Bastion of Democracy” in the middle east…Really!, I will leave that one up to the readers to decide on.  I found that MH came across as disingenuous to say the least.

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Without doubt, TNR is one of the best, if not the best alternative news source on the net. Which doesn’t mean Herewood is always right. His job, I believe, is to present the facts as he sees them as an objectively as possible, without fear or favor.  For this, he has my respect and support. But I believe he needs to be careful and to think a little deeper about the problems of “racism,” in Australia. He has labelled the Reclaim Australia Movement as racist. I’m wondering if his objectivity is a little weak on this point, a little without foundation.

Of course all political movements have its fringe groups and individuals. We make a distinction between, for example, a Muslim and a fundamentalist Muslim (Islamist), and by so doing we don’t claim that all Muslims are blood thirsty fanatics. If its good for the Muslims, then its good for RAM, which is bound to attract a few lunatics and real racists. But to brand the entire movement as “racist” is wrong; it is the same ploy that is used by the mainstream media and its left-wing, establishment Marxist boot boys.

One of the first things I noticed when i attended a RAM rally recently were the amount of non-white people in attendance, including Aboriginals. In fact the main banner of RAM contains an Australian flag and an Aboriginal flag. Speakers at their rallies have included Jews, Arabs, Indians, Aboriginals, Chinese and so on. What does this tell you? Is this really a fascist-Nazi-racist movement whose stated aim are the eradication and exclusion of other cultures, in place of some sort of Aussie white Reich, or is this just propaganda that is being propagated by the left for their own political interests. Consequently, we all know where the culmination of their politics have led, historically speaking, which are to the imposition of terror and dictatorships.

We can be thankful for small mercies, in terms of the Left, which today mostly tends to attract collectivists, establishmentarians and the privileged sons and daughters of the upper bourgeoisie, who seems to share one thing in common, nativity….

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Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake.  He hasn’t even been citizen for but a few years.  But, he makes out like he was born there.  ALSO - this guy spent 30 years in Thailand working shady businesses.  I would wager that his primary purpose in being an activist is that he wants to make money off selling merchandise.

By Keith on 2015 07 17 - 20:51:15
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good to see you putting out some new shows heraward

freely the banana girl is to a certain extent a troll, as is her boyfriend durian rider. they have been trolling the fitness community on youtube for some time… and yes they are extreme but they are also trolls. They use their trolling to spread their message. currently, another dude called vegangains is trolling the fitness community as well.

i am a vegetarian, and it was seeing this documentary on the pork industry that started me on the vegetarian path. for anyone interested, its pretty off the charts disturbing and its australian as well. its pretty much made by dudes breaking into pork farms and filming what they find

Would the world be better if people cared where their food came from? probably, they might then care about other things too

do you become a better person if you dont eat meat? i feel like a better person mainly because animals aren’t being hurt because of me. i dont feel humans have to eat meat really… or at least not much. How can you watch that documentary on pork, know that that is pretty much whats going on and turn a blind eye to it? I think its basic empathy and just saying well ‘i like bacon so yeah’ is in my opinion wrong and i can see freleys point of view to an extent. In my opinion, at least these people believe in something. i see my money as my vote, henceforth im ethical as to what i do with it. free range eggs became mainstream for exactly this reason… although im pretty sure woolies and coles lobbied the state to change the definition of the word ‘free range’ at some point. I dont eat beef because the amount of resources that go into growing a cow are pretty crazy. Think about how much grass that cow needs to eat before it is harvested and how much space it requires. think of how many vegies you could grow in the same space with the same amount of water. lamb? comon, think about what your doing here… but that being said i think most vegans are total loons. People like freeley should be advocating for the destruction of lions and tigers, as lions and tigers murder other animals in truly horrific style. if we humans are smart enough to not harm animals, then we should be stopping the animals that harm other animals from existing. Freeley also kills birds when she flies in aeroplanes so she is a hypocrite.

feminism is one of the biggest problems in society today and although there is some valid historical basis to it, the liberation of the human female from their biology is in my opinion largely a product of the technological advance of humans. sufferagettes where never machine gunned on the streets, unlike the men that where drafted and sent off to war to die just a few years earlier. as technology has advanced, women have advanced as well, however now its going way too far and is pretty blatantly anti male in many respects. i view feminism in its modern context as a tool of the social marxists that really isnt doing society a great deal of good at this time. its screwing up gender dynamics and is wrecking women and men for each other. i see it as low frequency, lowest common denominator idiocy, just like a lot of the the race baiting ‘is this racist’ stuff getting around that is being perpetuated pretty much as a distraction, divide and conquer strategy by the power elite. idiots love this kind of bicker and beef… it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious


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Almost two months since the last broadcast! How the hell can you expect people to donate when you don’t broadcast? Looks like the ship of truth has sprung a leak. This broadcast has been part of my life almost since its inception…it is one of the few alternative news sources that hasn’t gone off the deep end, by dilution credible information with crap e.g. Fairdinkum Radio and Info Wars…Pittard started FR with some incredibly interesting material, but then he flipped…Today he sounds like a fundamentalist preacher, the Christian equivalent to a Fanatical Islamist. As an atheist, I think he’s really ###### up a potentially good show. As for Info Wars, all they would have to do to improve is dump Alex Jones, what a shit-for-brains. I reckon Jones and Pittard are allowed to proliferate, because they’re so stupid and harmless. I suppose they have some entertainment value, and along with David Icke are living examples of how low the alternative media has sunk. Truth News Radio is, or should I say was, way ahead of them all ahead of them all in terms of credibility How sad that its come to this.

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