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Comment from Damian
Time August 31, 2009 at 2:46 pm

Here at the NSW/VIC border we have very strange things happening on a weekly basis. Chemtrails are real and they are happening.
Here is an interesting interview on FM radio about Chemtrails (it is in parts) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIHMNOPuOvM&feature=related

Comment from Hereward
Time August 31, 2009 at 3:43 pm

I listened to the above - it all sounds like classic disinformation to me - speculation and hysterical hype without science … “dessicated blood cells” lol?

Comment from Damian
Time September 2, 2009 at 2:40 pm

You really need to do research Hereward, instead of letting it come to you.

Comment from Damian
Time September 2, 2009 at 3:14 pm

Its not really funny when our kids are getting sick, one was flown to major hospital and in ICU for a week on machines with respiratory illness (which was very scary). Our family eat very health too and all take vitamins/exercise. When our skies are sprayed we start getting problems again and get headaches, not to mention the short term memory loss we are having now in a bad way and everyone I speak to is saying the same thing. We are now moving away from this area because our health is more important, just hope we can escape the spraying, seems to not happen as much in the cities/suburbs but i do see fallout sometimes (when I’m there. How can you explain a trail stopping, then starting again, then stopping and then to start like they run out and changed all in a short time, or sometimes they just stop. How can you explain the circles these jets do (why?) one following the other very close behind (just out of its trail) with the front jet a trail comes out the other nothing. What about a mystery very low flying slow moving large twin engine white jet with a trail coming out, this was around the time we started getting very sick. Mate I don’t need proof i see it here almost everyday.
Another one to watch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdBfxrS-VfM&feature=PlayList&p=58D8D7484830AD79&index=0

Comment from playtoh
Time September 4, 2009 at 12:58 am

I can’t believe you guys are still skeptical about this phenomenon. So, I guess these planes ‘must’ fly over our cities while they ‘literally’ block the sun. Would love to hear you debate Chemtrails with Alex.

Comment from Calem Smith
Time September 5, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Ive been avoiding commenting on this one but here goes.

I don’t doubt there are persistent contrails.

I avoid labeling them as “chemtrails” because of the connotations.

I don’t doubt the existence of weather modification (by the means of cloud seeding). I dont doubt its used on a daily basis.

But what I am skeptical about, is that they would be poisoning the same air, water and land that we all share.

There are many ways that “they’re” keeping us unwell ect. But I don’t believe its been done this way.

I would be more concerned over fluoridated water supplies in regards to mass populous poisoning.

Until there’s solid evidence that persistent contrails/cloud seeding/”chemtrails” are actually making people sick, I think I’d rather not jump to any conclusions.

Comment from Damian
Time September 7, 2009 at 3:40 pm

Yes but they have a injections to counteract the effects, they simply don’t tell the rest. If you think about it its a brilliant way to effects many, just spray them. Oh I have been told that this never happens in China and some wealthy countries like Dubai.
I still want to know why these things can go off and on again and another would follow right behind with nothing coming out. You want to watch these things in the country, these jets do some very strange things. They wouldn’t do them near Cities as it could create interest.

Comment from Len Miskulin
Time September 13, 2009 at 10:11 am

One of the most idiotic arguments that you’ll hear from “non-believers” is: “they would be poisoning the same air, water and land that we all share.
If you are going to spray something on the populace, you will know exactly what you are spraying and what are the precautions to take NOT to get affected. If you check the chemicals that are apparently sprayed (enough evidence exist not to really doubt that it is happening) you can also find that there are de-tox programs available. However, Shitizen Sheeple being generally uninformed and just getting ill would not even think to go looking for de-tox but is most likely to go to his/her GP in belief that it’s “just another cold” and get some medicine that would probably just worsen situation.
If you still do not believe, do some research and see how you can explain presence of barium, Aluminium, red blood cells, exotic molds and synthetic fibers in rain water.
Len Miskulin
(ex) Chairman (in exile)
Live Beat Dads UK

Comment from Damian
Time September 17, 2009 at 9:02 pm

U.S. NAVY TO CONDUCT MASSIVE ATMOSPHERIC EXPERIMENTAL TESTS

By Rosalind Peterson
September 9, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
Starting as early as today, September 15, 2009
An article in Space.com (1) titled, “NASA Rocket to Create Clouds Tuesday” by Clara Moskowits, Staff Writer – September 14, 2009, was unexpectedly forwarded to me today.
According to the article: “…A rocket experiment set to launch Tuesday aims to create artificial clouds at the outermost layers of Earth’s atmosphere. The project, called the Charged Aerosol Release Experiment (CARE)…”This is really essentially at the boundary of space,” said Wayne Scales, a scientist at Virginia Tech who will…study the physics of the artificial dust cloud as it’s released…CARE is slated to launch Tuesday between 7:30 and 7:57 p.m. EDT (2330 and 2357 GMT) from NASA’s Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia….”
“…CARE will release its (aluminum oxide) (2), dust particles a bit higher than that, then let them settle back down to a lower altitude.”What the CARE experiment hopes to do is to create an artificial dust layer,” Professor Scales told SPACE.com. “Hopefully it’s a creation in a controlled sense, which will allow scientists to study different aspects of it, the turbulence generated on the inside, the distribution of dust particles and such.” CARE is a project of the Naval Research Laboratory and the Department of Defense Space Test Program. The spacecraft will launch aboard a NASA four-stage Black Brant XII suborbital sounding rocket…Researchers will track the CARE dust cloud for days or even months to study its behavior and development over time…If CARE cannot launch Tuesday, the team can try again between Sept. 16 and Sept. 20, 2009…”
The U.S. Navy, NASA, and the U.S. Defense Department have made a decision to conduct one or more an atmospheric tests, in order to create an aluminum oxide dust cloud without the permission and for the most part, the knowledge of the citizens of the United States. These aluminum oxide particles will eventually return to earth polluting our air, water and soils. The tests may damage the various atmospheric boundaries that protect life on earth – no one has any idea what damage this dust cloud and the testing on this dust cloud may do to our climate, agriculture, human health or the amount of infrared and UV radiation reaching the Earth.
It is time to contact elected officials today and protest this action which may begin as early as today, September 14, 2009. The Navy is already conducting warfare testing in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and the Gulf of Mexico and has more ranges in the planning and permit stages. Senator Dianne Feinstein and Senator Barbara Boxer noted in a June 19, 2009. Letter to Dr. Jane Lubchenco, NOAA, U.S. Department of Commerce:
“…the Navy plans to increase the number of its exercises or expand the areas in which they may occur, and virtually every coastal state will be affected. Some exercises may occur in the nation’s most biologically sensitive marine habitats, including National Marine Sanctuaries and breeding habitats…” This involves the decimation of more than 11.7 million marine mammals over five years and will increase with each new warfare testing range expansion.
TESTING IN THE PACIFIC, ATLANTIC, GULF OF MEXICO, HAWAII & ALASKA
TESTING INCLUDES, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO:
* Gunnery Exercises * Bombing Missions * Missile & Torpedo Firing * Underwater Detonations * Research & Testing * Vessel Sinking * Use of hundreds of toxic chemicals, like lead, mercury, tungsten, aluminum coated fiberglass (chaff), Airborne Obscurants like Red & White Phosphorus, fog oils, rocket and jet fuel emissions * Undersea Warfare Training Range Exercises (USWTR) * Mid and High Frequency Sonar Experiments * Both land and ocean exercises will use planes, drones, rockets and sonic booms * Other classified warfare testing experiments will be conducted in these areas.

Now the U.S. Navy has decided that these experiments are not enough and have added atmospheric testing to their test list. Once again the public has been cut out of the debate, given little or no warning, and there are no Congressional hearings planned for any of these warfare and atmospheric tests.

It is now time that we, the people, stand up and stop these tests. The Navy and the Department of Defense have to understand that they are not allowed to go to war on us and our oceans for any reason. It is time to make our elected officials aware that we are going to stand against these policies. Take action today – contact your elected officials and stop these new atmospheric tests and demand Congressional Hearings.

Comment from Damian
Time September 24, 2009 at 2:57 pm

More info on this CARE project -
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/CARE.html
http://www.space.vt.edu/pdf/Scales.pdf
http://wpdp.colorado.edu/Uploads/BERNHARDanupdate3103_15.pdf

Comment from Len Miskulin
Time September 30, 2009 at 10:24 am

Today, early afternoon I went for a coffee with a friend to celebrate resurrection of my website although now instead of being lbduk.org as before (somebody nicked domain) it is http://dottal.org. Expanded and better but still lot of work to do, wonder if I have the time. I live in Croatia now in forced exile from Limey land away from whingeing poms. Looking at the sky I could not believe my eyes. Yes, there were times when chemtrails were bad and getting worse recently but today it was unbelievable. 50 people at least could have played naughts and crosses simultaneously on the sky grids. Well, I guess the news of pandemic is next and then we all get chance be junkies and have a fix. Are you armed yet?

Comment from Damian
Time September 30, 2009 at 4:31 pm

Strange you mentioned that you saw what looked like noughts and crosses I saw the exact same thing yesterday too. I didn’t see the jets but just the lines left behind. Now these last few days the sky is saturated with this…What is going on ?? We demand action world wide. I see that world wide people are waking up and are sick of these elitist ruining the world with control of many kinds.

Comment from Beth
Time October 26, 2009 at 1:49 pm

I am at loss how these chentrails have gone on so long and we are not marching in every street in every town world wide in protest regardless of any oficial miltary or goverment answers this has got to be the most profoundly evil act against humanity. I dont know about you lot ,but if I had the means to drag the pilots out and kick arse I would gladly do so along with every evil power freek who has set up this system of experiment or global death camp aimed at every man women and child.God help the lot of us if some real action is not taken soon . Spain (sunny when they allow)

Comment from Damian
Time October 26, 2009 at 2:03 pm

Anyone seeing dirty brown coloured cloud, getting reports from across Australia of this and doing strange things. Funny the mass spraying seems to happen when Rudd leave the country.

Comment from Beth
Time October 26, 2009 at 2:31 pm

PS,to my first email, I live in the mountains in southern Spain my sky view is vast and was clear most days . This year Chemical trails feature every day and block the sky and overcast it . Water samples from rain is found to have Barium in it . This is a deep mining mineral that caused minors down through the decades lung problems leading to premiture death apart from many other health problems they had .Barium also depletes the immune system .If you link the chemical spraying with the media hype on the swine flu vaccine one has to start thinking the two programs are some how linked as a direct attack on peoples lives . We are being fed false reports on the swine flu ,yet so many dont even demand answers to being sprayed by Barium. Is everybody brain dead or have you all forgotten how to protest ,to think ,to unit ,to demand answers and until you do, tell them hands off no jabs at the very least you can do that for yourself and family. I do not want to make the drug company’s rich or offer ourselves up for culling I dont want any of this via the air or in my arm,ask your self if you do ??? get real ,put some water containers out that is 100% clean when you place it outside ,after rain go get it tested . Do your own research and protect those you love.

Comment from Damian
Time November 4, 2009 at 11:30 am

The problem is many don’t want to believe that it is happening, people are to busy (the way the elites want it) with their lives to do anything, they leave it to someone else to care about and fight.
It starts with you…. to tell as many people what is happening, to drop notices in letterboxes, to organise groups which will lead to protests, to write to the governments and tell them this needs to be stopped. This is what is takes to get somewhere. But I do see many are starting to wakeup to the truth.

Comment from icee
Time December 26, 2009 at 7:29 pm

I have been following the weather modification debate for some years and am frustrated by the lack of answers of any kind from our Gov. This should be front line news and openly questioned by anyone who has the wits to know that all is not as it should be in our sky..but how do you fight against silence???

Comment from Damian
Time December 27, 2009 at 3:50 pm

To fight against silence is to organise. The battle is never over.
“The spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may commence persecution, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated, that the time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is while our rulers are honest and ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war we shall be going downhill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves, but in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war, will remain on us long, will be made heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion.” Thomas Jefferson

Comment from beat
Time December 31, 2009 at 12:21 am

I got really sick for a long time from them when they were persistently spraying my area. I mean chronic fatigue, long time off work etc.
I went and saw my local pollie and threatened to SUE govt. minister responsible. We got a letter back, saying John Dawkins (Ithink he was the Fed. in charge at the time had been contacted. Anyway, the bastard planes left my area!
Conclusion: get mad in the right way, and get results! And you must always write MY WILL letters if directing these f%$#@^s in writing!

Comment from Stu21963
Time January 3, 2010 at 12:44 am

Damian I’m totally with you on this ,,I live in Lithgow N.S.W just west Of Katommba ..Ive never been really sick “ever” but back i’d say about 4 years ago I started to notice these strange lines in the sky and did my research on them to find out they are “chemtrails” Ive been to my doctor because for the last three years Myself ,my children and now My Girlfriend all have colds that just never go away ..We’ve been on medicine we’ve always eatten good food ,,not take away junkies and my doctor is at a dead end as to why we have these resporitory problems ..we now look at the traiks every single day ,,they spray from Lithgow west to Orange and beyond ..ive even tasted a salty type dust that was all over my car’s windscreen and ive been told thats barium salt and that apearently is linked very strongly to lung and chest ailments ..so I’m now a full on believer what ever it is their doing up their ,,they sure as hell dont care about us ,,the Population ..

Comment from Stu21963
Time January 3, 2010 at 1:28 am

ON this Cematrails being dbunked ..I notice the Airforce guy states that chemtrails are sprayed only at low levels ..thats not true ,,the chemttrails have to be sprayed at atleast 38 to 40,, Feet and I notice its well above Large AirCraft cruising heights of 37,500 feet.. I also want to piont out that he states there are no Australian Airforce Jets spraying chemtrails ..Thats because its not Australian Airforce Jets ..Its Nato jets operating from somewhere else within Australia ..Thats fact not fiction and Chemtrails produce Ice not A dust that flows across the sky ..And you can also notice when they turn off the chemical and they only produce a Contrail that fades away but the chemtrail they’ve left from one side of the sky to the other is there for hours after ..explain that ??

Comment from Phil
Time January 9, 2010 at 11:44 pm

‘Persistent Contrails’ describe thin to thick lines in our skies that modify our weather. Chemtrails describe the exact same phenomena, but the words invoke entirely different mind sets. The fact remains, THEY MODIFY OUR WEATHER. How? You don’t know and how could you? You don’t know the science of the atmosphere (most).

When trying to understand ‘chemtrails’ don’t look to the sky for answers, but look at your mindset. Your emotions define the words, those words defines the scope of your investigation.

Here is the point, millions believe in ‘Chemtrails’ but no plans to test those theories have arisen from the grassroots. Why?

Man finds it uninviting to challenge his beliefs after they are formed.

If you want to understand ‘chemtrails’ know thyself.

Comment from Phil
Time January 10, 2010 at 12:02 am

Having said that, I really liked this podcast.

Comment from Damian
Time January 14, 2010 at 2:43 pm

Stu1963, mate you are spot on, they are doing it on a massive scale in the country areas, we moved away a couple of months ago to near the city and now our health is getting better. My children both came out in a rash all over their body and high temp that was carried down when we moved. We did have this sore throat that lasted about a month after we left but now my children, wife and myself are all great. My advise is move, if you can’t try to stay indoors on the bad days (which is most days up there). I am part of a yahoo group that talks on chemtrails and other issues. We need action, we have been on radio and are wanting to start our own website and podcast one day. Why don’t you join, we try to update everyone on what is happening in areas. The group link is concernedaussiecit@yahoogroups.com
You need a yahoo account email and join the group. Just tell the moderator (Geoff) that Damian sent you ; )
Goodluck.

Comment from Damian
Time January 14, 2010 at 2:54 pm

Stu1963, We need to take these unbelievers to the country NSW central and southern areas to see for themselves, not long before I left I saw planes doing circles again, many, many strange things. It is something to see what is going on up there.

Comment from Frank
Time January 16, 2010 at 10:45 pm

Here in Country Vic (Mildura area) they chemtrail 24/7 and at night, up to 12 at a time, short term memory loss and constant annoying headache’s always occure when they spray these chemicals, i have heaps of photo’s showing criss crossing patterns that fan out and eventually connect to form a haze over a recent clear blue sky and even one with pink green blue colors through it,,,,CHEMTRAILS are real, and the only conspiracy is the fact they are avoiding/covering up this crime against us all…………..

Comment from Damian
Time January 16, 2010 at 11:45 pm

Not to mention that they are breaking many aviation rules up there. Which needs documentation for action.
I urge all that are witnessing it (especially in the country)(seem to be the Guinea Pigs) to take evidence. We need to organise letters and evidence to this corrupt government. The more we let them know what we know, the more they back away.

Comment from Damian
Time January 16, 2010 at 11:51 pm

Have you noticed the way they seem to dissolve cloud, like they are feeding on the moisture. Any Cumulonimbus Cloud disappear after spraying, stopping any chance of rain (Global Warming).

Comment from Frank
Time January 17, 2010 at 1:08 am

Damian,,all you say is true,,,,if anyone doubts what i/you state, just come to this area for say 2 days and bring a video camera to prove to all the lazy fools who wont take the time out see for themselves and make up there own minds instead of putting there faith in others opinions.
Every single person i have told thought me mad,,until i mobiled every one of them at the exact point they start to spray and watch the many trails unfold, 90% now call me all the time when they see them (converts) the other 10% dont want to know about..

P.S,,, Depending on your health,age,immune system ect there are many illness’s (rangeing from dangerous high blood pressure to alzheimers disease) assosiated with heavy metals inhaled into your body,good things you can take to help extract the heavy metals are Colloidal Silver and MMS (google it)

Comment from icee
Time January 22, 2010 at 7:37 pm

this afternoon(Friday 19th Jan)we had a short rain fall (spattering) which when dry, left dirty white marks on my red car with silver glints in it…. what is this??? I have never seen this before….

Comment from cmxilies
Time January 23, 2010 at 4:07 pm

It’s been an every day thing in NW PA. Every blue sky is stolen. I like beat’s approach- threaten to sue the bastards.

Comment from icee
Time January 30, 2010 at 11:18 pm

Look at Colin Andrews site and see what Happened in Australia in January 2010 showing radar sightings…extraordinary.??????

Comment from Stephanie Main
Time March 24, 2010 at 9:30 am

http://www.chemtrails911.com/ So far one of the best proof of this massive global poisoning!!! I have more great, scientific websites to offer and many photos from many places in So. Cal, No. Cal, Utah, Arizona, Hawaii, Nevada, Michigan and more!!!!!!

Comment from Leo
Time April 7, 2010 at 9:44 am

I also live in Lithgow NSW and see these trails on a weekly basis. I always suffered migraines, since a young age, on a regular basis, but now I can’t get relief from these daily headaches, constant fatigue, and sudden memory loss. I used to have a photographic memory, never forgot anything, now I struggle to remember what I have eaten for breakfast. I get a laugh when I try to share my photos of trails over my home on a couple of forums I’m a member of, and everyone tells me I’m a nut.
Personally, I believe being informed gives me a better chance of survival.
Many of my friends are now commenting on memory loss (locals), and these were people with great recall.
I think the people responsible for this should be locked in a sealed room and duct these chemicals to them and let them die a slow, painful death!

Comment from Caroline
Time April 10, 2010 at 1:45 am

We all need to stand up as Americans- and take back our Country. They are trying to cut the population of people with toxic chemicals in our air. We need to make a stand, let our Govt. know we know what there doing to us. We have Chemtrails daily here in Fredericksburg VA., my husband was mowing yesterday, came in the house after it started to rain with a sunburn kind of rash, complaining of chest being tight and hard to breathe. The Dark Red Rash looked almost like hives, I put him on a detox right away, Dentox, Spirulina, WheatGrass Juice, and a herbal tea containing honey & grapeseed extract. After 2 hours the rash completely went away. After the rash he had a bad headache. Today he’s feeling fatigued. People need to wake up and take a stand against these chemtrails, they are very real and were feeling the affects from them. Were the Land of the Free, not a Land of Pestilence.

Comment from Leo
Time April 11, 2010 at 10:17 am

I have started discussions on various forums about chemtrails, and all the scientific types leave links to debunking sites. The area I live has 2 domestic flights west of my location every day, yet the jets come and go leaving their checkerboard patterns in the sky, and I take photos. If they were contrails they would disappear within minutes like normal contrails, yet these form white clouds which destroy what starts out as a clear blue sky, and makes breathing outdoors extremely difficult.
I hope some of these scientific types who tell me they are natural clouds (despite me watching the jets spraying) get some serious chest infections and wake up. I link to other sites about chemtrails and all these people comment on my pseudoscience. What’s pseudoscience go to do with these trails appearing, and the numerous laboratory reports of the chemicals contained within the fallout.
I fear it will be too late for many before they wake up to the truth.
Watch any UK or US show where filming is done outdoors (Mythbusters-Top gear, etc) and you can clearly see these trails in the shots, yet people still deny them…FOOLS!

Comment from Mark
Time April 17, 2010 at 1:03 pm

Leo, I guess there needs to be a thorough analysis of chemtrails and contrails in a format that is acceptable as proper science.
I’ve been looking out for them for a few months and want to know what atmospheric conditions create persistent water vapour contrails, if any.
I think that without a decent analysis involving experimentation, the types you mention will just write it off as speculation (i.e. pseudoscience).

Comment from truthseeker
Time April 18, 2010 at 12:32 am

Kim from Canada here…We are in Montreal and get fed a steady diet of the junk! Chemtrails have been opposed in the past but obviously with little success. There was a protest in NYC back in the 90’s I believe and in Canada the entire town of Espanola complained to the Canadian Government about the nasty effects they were suffering. The townspeople complained that they were always ill and that they could no longer remember where they parked their cars! The government basically told them they were crazy yet the constant heavy chemtrails continued and they took video footage and returned to government officials to complain. They were then told in a nutshell; okay you’re right however it’s not our fault, it’s the Americans who are to blame. I believe they’re all involved and have no intention of stopping. Some commercial airliners are now fitted with sprayers to increase the poisoning. Mainstream media is suspiciously silent on the issue and the beat goes on…

Comment from Leo
Time April 19, 2010 at 9:22 am

The remarkable thing is these planes doing the spraying leave contrails till they arrive at the point where they start spraying, and these contrails disappear in seconds, yet once the spraying starts, the clouds last for the day.
Unfortunately, while so many people are prepared to stand up for those responsible, and say we are just a bunch of idiots, what will be done.
This is where the US relies on patriotism, all these nice folk state “our government wouldn’t do that to us” while condemning those of us who are open minded enough to see something is wrong.

I think Zeitgeist the movie (and addendum) sums up the elitists intentions, and the new one worth watching “Invisible empire A new world order defined”

Comment from Damian
Time April 20, 2010 at 1:43 pm

The problem is the planes will not stop, they invest too much of your money in these experiments and to just stop for your health..I think not.
We are all slaves to the big bank cartel (everyone owes some debt) and their ruling puppets they sit on the thrones in governments.

The planes are so high in altitude that cameras can’t zoom in to see them clearly, to get evidence it comes from spraying. It is invisibly plane with this thick white mess coming from behind it is not hard to see it is spraying.
New US bases popping up around Australia, strange patterns showing up on our weather’s national radar and around these bases, the HAARP machine are all hand in hand with these chemtrails. If we really know what our leaders are doing it would blow our minds, so simple people can take it, it is too much to think about and they are happy with the life they have. That is a drug induces life of simplicity zombies.
Our minds are getting weaker by the day.

Now time to go home and drink the contaminated water supply, while I breath in the contaminated air and sit in front of the TV telling me what to do, looking at the happy news stories, feeling happy, I just ignore my children, because something entertaining is on I don’t want to miss, my mind is numb now, letting the new digital signals into my brain, forgetting, getting tired, drink more water, looking forward to tomorrows TV, thinking about the TV I just saw, time to go to bed, that’s right I have a family, maybe tomorrow I should spend more time with them….doesn’t happen, goodnight.

Comment from me
Time April 21, 2010 at 12:08 pm

the other morning, i watched as the clear blue sky became “overcast” it wasnt normal cloud cover, as it was obvious the “clouds” came directly out of the back of the planes criss-crossing the sky.. and spreading out. whatever it is.. contrails or chemtrails - i dont like it.

Comment from Frank
Time April 22, 2010 at 9:50 pm

NEWS ALERT,,,,,,a new political party has just formed/registered in Australia,,,The Australian Sovereignty Party. It mentions the illegal Chemtrails under its enviroment policy statement http://www.sovereigntyparty.org.au/

Comment from matt
Time May 3, 2010 at 7:09 am

Very heavy spraying over the last couple of days here in the nations capital. As i type they are just starting to spray in the east towards the sun RIGHT NOW (3RD APRIL 2010 ). have a look if you can . take pics and protest to anyone who will listen. 6 planes in sky at one time all yesterday 2 april 2010 Canberra ACT

Comment from John
Time May 3, 2010 at 3:01 pm

After listening to the show I have to say- Im not buying the whole high altitude condensation argument at all. Im sorry but on any given day over Adelaide these jets are flying non stop criss crossing the sky and well into the night. The so called “condensation” then forms dirty coloured clouds that spread out creating an ugly overlay or film over large areas of the sky- Ive observed and photographed this far too many times to dismiss it as mere “high altitude condensation”… Anyone who spends one day outside just watching these buggers can attest to that. Also I dont agree with terms used on this show such as paranoia and hysteria—what paranoia? Ive been following this for over a decade and have yet to meet more than ten people that even know or care about the subject…

Comment from Dee
Time May 4, 2010 at 4:07 pm

It brings me much happiness to see so many people who are active and are striving for the truth.
Im 22years old from Sydney south west, me and a fair few of my friends have recently opened our eyes, ears, mouths and more importantly our minds to what is really happening in our current society.
Sadly chem trails only seem to be part of this endless pit of deciet that saturate our day to day lives.
Truly relising the extent of control and manipulation these people have over society (exluding those who know the truth) can easily lead to a sense of hopelessness and even depression.
As i said it brings me that little ray of light in a world covered in darkness that im forced to wonder, but im not alone.

Comment from Sonya
Time May 5, 2010 at 8:47 pm

And now this, an article from 9News website today, 5th May, “Drug Firm To Build New Facility in Queensland” - International drug manufacturer DSM Biologics has been enticed to set up shop in Queensland and help develop drugs for arthritis, hepatitis and cancer.

The company will operate Australia’s first major contract manufacturing facility for biologic drugs and therapeutics after receiving $A10 million from the federal government and $A7 million from the Queensland government in seed funding.

“This is a turning point in the development of Queensland’s biotechnology industry,” Queensland Premier Anna Bligh, who announced the deal with federal Innovation Minister Kim Carr at a biotechnology conference in Chicago on Sunday, said.

“We have a plan to make this industry worth $A20 billion and employ 16,000 people by 2025.”

The facility will be built in partnership with Queensland government-owned BioPharmaceuticals Australia, and will be located with the Translational Research Institute on the Princess Alexandria Hospital campus in Brisbane.

It will allow local companies to make biopharmaceuticals needed for early-stage clinical trials.

Biopharmaceuticals are produced in live cells from plants and animals, especially mammals, which most resemble humans. Drugs of this kind are being developed for conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis, hepatitis and cancer.

“An estimated $A60 million goes offshore every year to manufacturers of small-scale drug and therapeutic compounds because we can’t do this kind of work in Australia,” Ms Bligh said.

“The partnership with DSM Biologics is about to change all that.”

We have been getting quite a noticeable amount of chemtrails over the south-east of Queensland, and so many people I see are suffering from so many of the symptoms associated with chemtrail spraying, including persistant flu-like respiratory infections, memory loss, and cancers. The timing for their decision to be allowing the pharmaceutical companies to build is an outright sellout of the Australian government to whoever is doing this to us.

Comment from Robin Gaskell
Time May 8, 2010 at 12:43 am

Both topics, innoculations & Chemtrails… same answer: population reduction. Innoculations carry sperm de-activators and abortion inducers; and what better way to kill people than to spray pathogens down on them?

Comment from Damian
Time May 10, 2010 at 5:21 pm

Also do a search on SCALAR WEAPONRY.
See here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rK4rvC3P4M&feature=player_embedded#!
Listen to this! Anyone having dizzy spells were they pull to the left ? I have!

Comment from matt
Time May 20, 2010 at 7:52 am

The sky is a disgrace here in Cnaberra this morning. No chentrails last week as the pollies were in town for the budget. Soon as they all left town y friday the jets came out Sat morning and performed the heaviest spraying i have seen in te last 6 months of becoming aware of this environmental bio-terrorism program.The sky has turned mostly white in the last hour. It was reasonably clear at 6 am. Go outside and check it out people. Cemtrails are definately real, how to stop them is the big issue.

Comment from cmcallis
Time May 30, 2010 at 3:08 pm

If they are trying to kill us off and bring world population down to 500 million….the people that will be left from all this spraying etc…will probably be too sick to reproduce …who is to say any will survive…why do they want to destroy the planet which in effect is what this is all coming to!!! All the greedy elite will have no one left to make them money…it just doesn’t make sense…WE need the truth NOW!!! What are they really up to…WE need to know NOW!!!

Comment from James
Time June 4, 2010 at 1:51 pm

The illuminati have some pretty weird plans/ideas and one of them is to put us under ultimate control through wars, inserting us all with micro-chips, keeping us in high levels of debt etc: I don’t know about reducing the pop. to 1/2 a billion people as that would be an awful lot of killing, through various means but chemtrails are pretty sinister in their goal. CT’s do make me feel pretty lousy when they go on their ’spray days’ as they weaken our immune systems and make us all catch disease a lot easier and then the pharm./doctors, make a lot of money getting us better. I read a top article called ‘CHEMTRAILS EXPLAINED’ by Peter Farley. It is worth reading and it gives you a view on this chemtrail thing from a different perspective.

Comment from Cathy
Time June 7, 2010 at 8:56 pm

I was at Noosa today on the Sunshine Coast. The lady I worked with came in and said there are Chemtrails above Noosa. It was only two weeks ago that I had even heard of such a thing.. This is freaky stuff!. How did the world get so crazy..

Comment from James
Time June 20, 2010 at 11:08 pm

A low flying jet (15-20,000ft.) leaving a massive, thick, ugly chem/contrail and only 10 secs. behind this jet is a high altitude jet at 30+ thousand ft. and it is leaving a normal contrail that vanishes completely after only a few seconds. You had to see it to believe it. It was like saying up was down and vice versa and a few people did spot this weird demo. of their open air bio-warfare. This was the case up here in Mildura on Saturday morning.
Sunday the 20th. was just another chemtrail day. They have their grid line areas and my house seems to be right along it as I get a lot of their trails directly over my house. A lot of people have flu-like symptoms and the weather has been very mild. I wonder what poisons they are putting in the air.?

Comment from mebsy
Time June 28, 2010 at 1:34 pm

I am convinced that there are powers in this world who have no hesitation in killing thousands of ordinary citizens to fulfil their evil agendas. I am really confused about chemtrails however. I wonder how they are getting it into airliners, what it contains, and why nobody in authority seems to have noticed.

Comment from Frank
Time June 29, 2010 at 2:01 am

CT’s contain different things for different reasons, most popular is Barium, Aluminium dust, and Strontium, tested after a civilian collected fallout from a CT in US (you can google the US tv station that had this tested in a lab, cant remember the Doc),,,all these things can lower a persons immune system,give constant headaches, memory loss, high blood pressure ect,these chemicals are not mixed in with plane fuel but sprayed independently by large non- commercial flights,,their are a few good Doc’s on this subject

Comment from Daniel A
Time July 1, 2010 at 12:51 pm

Comment from Beth
Time October 26, 2009 at 1:49 pm
… The reason… Main stream world wide media is owned by 5 main groups, who also control Oil, the Military Industrial Complex… WE NEED A WORLD WIDE REVOLUTION BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE… Chemtails is just the beginning of what they are doing… Wait and see what happens in Check out H.A.A.R.P (Earthquake maker among other things)…. But everyone watch the Southern USA over the next few months… MASS EVACUATIONS…. Millions of people displaced, they’ll go hungry and thristy, putting pressure on the world markets… leading to war with Iran (As an Excuse while everyone is occupied) Crash the stock market… Bring on Global currency, followed by global health system ALL leading to de-populating the planet to a sustainable level… The scary part is the number they want…. 500 000 000 people worldwide total population… Down from 6 000 000 000… We need to act shortly before it’s too late… Obama wants to shut down the internet now.. BEFORE TO MUCH INFO IS SPREAD AROUND THE WORLD… The Internet is our only real weapon…. Please people…. DO YOUR PART AND START TALKING ABOUT THIS…. PLEASE FOR THE WORLD SAKE…

Comment from TheWookOne
Time August 18, 2010 at 4:50 pm

Hey Wake Up people!
search the milatary search engines http://www.dtic.mil for chemtrails.Here’s a quote from it.
‘your second picture. REFERENCES: This laboratory is a modification of: Experiment 12 - Black and White Photography, CHEMTRAILS, Second Edition, Department of Chemistry, U.S. Air Force Academy, 1996-1997. E35-7 Name Section Partner…
Collection: U.S. Navy”
If its a hoax why do they talk about the experiment on there own website?
they are fools for showing this LOL

Comment from Kate
Time August 23, 2010 at 5:03 pm

Anybody in Australia who is concerned about chemtrails, should have a look at the Australian Sovereignty Party (can find easily on Google) - a new political party which aims to stamp out the chemtrails and overhaul the health system (among other things.)

I find it’s easy to get discouraged, when you think about what we are up against, so I try to concentrate on what I CAN do. I can throw my support behind this political party. I can tell as many people as I can, about chemtrails. And I can do my best to keep my loved ones as healthy as possible, so we at least stand a chance.

I really feel sorry for the people who blindly think their government is looking after them, and if it’s on a supermarket shelf it must be safe to eat. They could not be more wrong!!!

Comment from Damian
Time September 3, 2010 at 2:25 pm

What a strange thing I just saw..
Well I work near the Melbourne airport and from my office window I see planes coming into land everyday and they are close for viewing. As I look out I saw this strange looking plane I never saw before which was shaped different from the normal jets.
This plane court my eye, more like a transporting military jet that had a fat fuselage , this plane was dark grey in colour. So I hunted down the binoculars to take a close look and to my amazement what I saw was all these black pipes coming from the back of the fuselage on each side, many in numbers all bunched together. What ! This plane had all these pipes coming out that were not near any engine and looking like a strange military plane with no real markings to identified what it is… Just looked like a mass spraying machine.

Time to look into starting this discussion/action group with website in the near future. With political movements. Not just on one subject but to start fighting back and start kicking ass.

Comment from Damian
Time September 3, 2010 at 4:32 pm

This might be something to do with the major flooding they are warning us about now on the airways and news. Coming tomorrow (Saturday), they are also saying residents in the North (Vic) should stock up on food.

Comment from pbd62
Time October 3, 2010 at 1:26 pm

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Comment from psynapsutfa
Time October 5, 2010 at 4:34 pm

i too, am in the central west of nsw australia.
mudgee in fact. i have watched these things for the last few years. we get months where there will be none at all, and then all of a suddeen, tartan skies for weeks or more on end.
yesterday i watched 5 jets go from the east, and then 5 from the south, over and over again…. funny thing is, during this time, i also watched two jets, fly directly over these trails, and barely leave a conytrail…so that in itself proves something… i also see the jets arrive and start the spray, when they hadnt left a trail at all before…
i also remember when these trails were never a part of our skies.
i was told by someone it is just a fuel dump…if that is so, then why, as if fuel isnt expensive enough anyway!
where i grew up on the coast we were under a flight zone, and i never saw these trails.. people in my town are so unaware, they think thety are awake, but they are merely dreaming…..

Comment from psynapsurfa
Time October 5, 2010 at 4:39 pm

start asking people what they are, point them out whenever you see them, and explain the difference between a contrail and what they are looking at.
point to the other clouds that people think are normal and explain that they are fallen trails….and explain that they are breathing it…i moved to the coubtryside to breath fresh air, and escape the rat race, now i breath fresh pollution and live with the sleepwalkers…

Comment from pbd62
Time October 7, 2010 at 9:39 am

No. 14202
CANADA
and
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Agreement relating to the exchange of information on
weather modification activities. Signed at Washington
on 26 March 1975
Authentic texts: English and French.
Registered by Canada on 18 August 1975.
CANADA
et
ÉTATS-UNIS

IN WITNESS WHEREOF the Representatives of the two Governments have signed
this Agreement.
DONE in duplicate at Washington this twenty-sixth day of March 1975 in
English and French, each version being equally authentic.
EN FOI DE QUOI les représentants des deux gouvernements ont signé le présent
Accord.
FAIT en double exemplaire à Washington le vingt-sixième jour de mars 1975 en
anglais et en français, les deux textes faisant également foi.
[Signed — Signé]
JEANNE SAUVÉ
For thé Government of Canada
Pour le Gouvernement du Canada
[Signed — Signé]
CHRISTIAN A. HERTER, Jr.
For thé Government of the United States of America

Aware, because of their geographic proximity, that the effects of weather modi
fication activities carried out by either Party or its nationals may affect the territory
of the other;
Noting the diversity of weather modification activities in both Canada and the
United States by private parties, by State and Provincial authorities, and by the
Federal Governments;
Believing that the existing state of knowledge warrants the expectation of fur
ther development over a period of time in the science and technology of weather
modification;
Taking into particular consideration the special traditions of prior notification
and consultation and the close cooperation that have historically characterized their
relations;
Believing that a prompt exchange of pertinent information regarding the nature
and extent of weather modification activities of mutual interest may facilitate the
development of the technology of weather modification for their mutual benefit;
Recognizing the desirability of the development of international law relating to
weather modification activities having transboundary effects;
Have agreed as follows:
Article I. As used in this Agreement:
(a) “Weather modification activities”, means activities performed with the in
tention of producing artificial changes in the composition, behaviour, or dynamics
of the atmosphere;
(o) “Weather modification activities of mutual interest” means weather
modification activities carried out in or over the territory of a Party within 200 miles
of the international boundary; or such activities wherever conducted, which, in the
judgment of a Party, may significantly affect the composition, behaviour, or dyna
mics of the atmosphere over the territory of the other Party;
for info of all

Comment from Daniel
Time October 15, 2010 at 9:20 am

There’s no doubt that they are writing the skies with these chemicals, but what for? I’ve herd for Radio signalling, Poisioning the environment to cause global heating and carbon increase for their carbon tax scam, Poisioing the people’s DNA and a few others. We need to work out what they are up too? First we need to do something about the media first!! That’s where the worlds problem lay, but people are awakening to this and starting to turn away from MSM. The sooner the world does that the more free we will be… Simple as that. Expose the media and their manipulation and you’ll get the truth with alot of the world matters… Just a thought

Comment from Shan
Time November 19, 2010 at 7:41 am

I live near Maryborough in Queensland Australia, and I hadn’t noticed chemtrails until a few weeks ago. What a very steep learning curve I’ve been on since I started watching, photographing and videoing these. I’ve observed them falling from very high altitudes that have air currents going in the opposite direction to lower cumulonimbus clouds. They just fall down into the lower cloud layer, then change direction, whisping out, becoming hazier as they fall until they’re part of the air we breathe. I had never had a conversation with anyone about this, and felt very alone and crazyish. Each day I photographed constantly, and as I amassed more evidence, I felt confident to start speaking out. I’ve found that people will have preconceived ideas and arguments. The only thing that will open their minds is opening their eyes, and taking time to observe. This is extremely difficult when the chemtrail makers have worked all night to paint the sky and keep filling it all day, so there’s no blue whatsoever. My scariest moment was two days ago when the plane came right down under heavy clouds to get his bearings, as I had not seen the planes, just their pollution, this felt like seeing the enemy and being totally helpless as a target. Not informing the public, not having our knowledge or permission, not telling us what health effects we may expect, or what is in the mix they’re dropping on us, ALL AMOUNT TO A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT. If there is a moratorium in place, as decided in Japan recently, what are the legalities of this spraying. Because they don’t tell us, we can start believing the worst, that its to dumb us down, reduce the population, reduce solar power effectiveness, buy time to mine and sell coal and oil rather than change over to green technologies, and make as much money as they can for the fat cats who are behind this violation of human rights. I want to join with others to fight this demon, all the way to the high court if they don’t heed the moratorium.

Comment from Damian
Time November 23, 2010 at 10:55 am

Good stuff Shan,
It is great to see that more are seeing what is going on. You can write books on what is happening up there and like you some of the things I have seen are unbelievable.
Lots still don’t want to know(like those that are a part of this site) unless the facts are staring in front of them and by that time it is too late. When the truth comes out they will say it is for the good of humanity, it is for the good of the people that is why we are spraying.
Just google “geoengineering the climate” because geoengineering is what they are doing up there. A quote from 2020 science ” Under these criteria, using stratospheric aerosols to scatter sunlight away from the earth comes closest to the ideal”.
Read more: http://2020science.org/2009/09/01/geoengineering-the-climate-a-clear-perspective-from-the-royal-society/#ixzz163rK0JwA
It is because of lunatic scientists with crazy agenders that we have to put up with the crap, but under the guise of saving YOU!
New movie out on chemtrails called “What in the World are they spraying” see here - http://www.viddler.com/explore/Drewsick/videos/24/
The Chemtrail /Geo-Engineering Coverup Revealed.By now everyone has seen crisscrossing streaks of white clouds trailing behind jet aircraft, stretching from horizon to horizon, eventually turning the sky into a murky haze. Our innate intelligence tells us these are not mere vapor trails from jet engines, but no one yet has probed the questions: who is doing this and why. With the release of this video, all of that has changed. Here is the story of a rapidly developing industry called geo-engineering, driven by scientists, corporations, and governments intent on changing global climate, controlling the weather, and altering the chemical composition of soil and water �������������� all supposedly for the betterment of mankind. Although officials insist that these programs are only in the discussion phase, evidence is abundant that they have been underway since about 1990 �������������� and the effect has been devastating to crops, wildlife, and human health. We are being sprayed with toxic substances without our consent and, to add insult to injury, they are lying to us about it. Do not watch this documentary if you have high blood pressure.

Comment from Laurie
Time November 27, 2010 at 9:50 pm

Whilst I understand and accept that there are atmospheric experiments of many different kinds going on, the now common beliefs regarding ‘Chemtrails’ are somewhat unrealistic.
As an agricultural pilot, the notion of chemtrails gets my attention! Firstly, high-flying aircraft leave con-trails (the more proper description of what is observed) simply as a function of the interaction of heat (from exhaust) and the ambient temperature at that level, and the moisture content of the atmosphere. Con-trails are simply a natural result of high altitude flight. These trails may dissipate almost immediately, remain visible for some minutes, or even spread out (due to the aircraft’s wake) and persist as a high level cloud. It just depends on conditions. These trails are not new. They have always been there, as long as we have been flying at those heights.
I can tell you from a professional point of view as a spray pilot, that if anyone wanted to waft spray on you, for any reason, then you most certainly could not hope to reach a ground target by releasing spray at airliner flight levels!! It is beyond anyone’s capability to predict where it might end up, especially considering the fierce winds (often in excess of 170kph) that routinely blow at these heights. A spray released at say 35,000 ft could easily travel many hundreds if not thousands of kilometers. It would certainly NEVER reach anyone directly beneath it!! A spray released at this sort of height overhead England for example would probably never touch the country at all. It would be a random drop indeed, with no likeyhood of arriving at any pre-determined target on the ground.
If anyone is thinking that airliners might be being used to spray people for whatever evil purpose consider the following. No airliner has the spare room on board to fit a chemical tank. Even if they could, how could you keep it secret from the flight crew (many sets of crew for each aircraft) and what about the thousands of engineers who will work on the aircraft each year. Are they all being paid off? I don’t think so. To keep anything as sinister as commercial aircraft spraying chemicals on the masses from becoming public knowlege, you would have to conclude that every single pilot, crewperson, aircraft engineer, load-master, refueller, dispatcher, and baggage handler is somehow being paid/threatened to keep quiet about an activity they would simply have to be aware of.
Please do not be afraid of con-trails. They are simple ice crystals that form. They resemble the beautiful snow-flake images you have surely seen. And that is about as sinister as they ever get.

You don’t need to look up to see a real conspiracy. Just look beside you. There is much more interesting stuff going on, much much closer.

Comment from Laurie
Time November 27, 2010 at 10:23 pm

Ok guys. Chem-trails that stop and start? Trails that some aircraft have and others do not? Higher aircraft NOT leaving trails? Come on people. These observations only reflect the fluid and variable state of the atmosphere.
An aircraft cruising right on the edge of favourable atmospherics for forming a condensation trail, may occasionally enter and depart the contrail forming layers, thus causing the trail to be intermittent.

I seriously doubt that anyone from the ground can accurately determine visually the relative heights of two different aircraft in a similar piece of sky. That not whithstanding, there is absolutely nothing unusual about a higher aircraft NOT leaving a trail whilst a lower one does. This again is just an indication of local atmospherics (inversion for example)

Someone else mentioned that there was a distinct lack of contrails over big cities. Well this is no surprise, since the aircraft have to descend below condensation-trail forming heights in order to land at those cities!!!!
Remember also that modern airliners fly higher than ever before. Even on relatively short flights, they fly at altitudes that best fit the traffic system and deliver the most efficient use of the aircraft.
There is more air traffic today than ever.
Relax.

Comment from Damian
Time November 29, 2010 at 4:35 pm

Your expertise is of low flying planes, not high altitude jets.
What some people had dismissed as mere “jet plane exhaust” (because there are now scores of internet propaganda web sites trying to convince you that ‘everything is well’ and ‘there’s nothing to be alarmed about’ and that unaccountable ‘jet plane exhaust’ plumes are magically being converted into horizon-to-horizon overcasts of “cirrus clouds” !) are dismayed to realise that chemtrails are indeed the toxin-laden aerosols that have been described here and at other web sites since 1998 and they are not being sprayed for any benign or national security reason as the disinformation peddlers would have you believe.
Military Chaff
X MARKS THE SPOT! Looking out my window a few days ago…
First, let’s define military chaff according to one source:
“Military Chaff for Jamming of Seeking Weapons. Conventional chaff is released behind military aircraft and floats behind the aircraft creating a multi-target blanket to confuse weapons directed at the aircraft. Conventional chaff is composed of aluminium ribbon foil. This material pollutes the environment once it hits the ground and may be toxic if consumed by domestic and wild animals.”

Now read this from the Idaho Observer, July 2006:
Last May a family in Iowa contacted the office of Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) to report the constant criss-crossing of “chemtrails” in the sky above their neighbourhood. They received back from the senator’s office a General Accounting Office (GAO) report on “military chaff” and the material safety data sheet for aluminium-coated fibreglass fibres being spread—seven days a week for several hours each day—in the skies above their home.

The chaff is spread by pilots learning how to mask planes or send false radar images. It was reported that the military also has lead-based chaff, but that it is not being used at this time. Chaff was used by the military in Europe in WWII and, according to the GAO, had been used in training here at home since the 50s.

Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed.

Regardless, some members of this family are very sick. On May 23, after a hard rain the day before, they a noticed glittering substance and a pinkish-colored powder substance on the roof of their house. They then noticed the glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car. Both substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis.

Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:

6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia

9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride

26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc

4 molds and fungi

7 viruses

2 cancers

2 vaccines

2 sedatives

Over the last several months, The IO has received a significant increase in chemtrail-related calls and letters. Most report a dramatic increase in chemtrail “spraying” activity in their areas; some are reporting the development of chronic flu-like symptoms, chronic fatigue and body aches that they have never before experienced.

According the above source, the military has been spraying the skies throughout America, Canada, and parts of Europe with substances that were initially referred to as “mystery contrails”, but later named “chemtrails” by investigative reporter William Thomas.

When questioned, military and government officials either deny any knowledge of these sprayings outright or they offer unbelievable and ludicrous explanations.

Some think the military tankers responsible for the spraying are remote controlled aircraft while others feel they are being flown by foreign pilots. Most likely both, I imagine!

Comment from Andy
Time November 29, 2010 at 5:05 pm

There’s no point trying to convince people like Laurie of the reality of chemtrails. He either simply has not researched enough and obviously has not observed the sky above him for long and hard enough. Or, he is simply a detractor for reasons only he knows. Good on you Shan of Maryborough for having the ears to hear and the eyes to see. All you have to do is look up!

Comment from Andy
Time November 29, 2010 at 5:14 pm

By the way, the skies over Brisbane have been absolutely hammered over the last week. Today is the first time we’ve seen the sun for some time, even though the chemtrail haze and “layer” is still up there. The really big days for chemtrailing were November 23 & 24, and to a somewhat lesser extent 26 & 27. On the afternoon of Wednesday November 24 (about 1315), I and numerous people on the ground actually saw the plane laying down the trail. It was the most blatant I had ever witnessed. Most trails were south west/north east oriented, with some cross-hatching south east/north west. The plane I saw was running approx south east/north west.

Comment from Laurie
Time November 29, 2010 at 10:21 pm

Take a look at the picture at the top of this page. Its a beautiful shot of some persistant con-trails.
The older ones have indeed formed cirrus clouds, which will last until after dark. Cloud formed by contrails is nothing recent. It has always occured, when conditions are right. When contrails do form these clouds, they have the proven, and logical effect of reducing the ammount of sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface (reflected back to space). Witness the fact that in the days following 911, when ALL commercial flights over the States, were suspended, there were easily measurable increases in sunlight recordings, right across the nation. People still recall the beautiful clear skies that existed those few days, thanks to no jets flying. So you could make a strong case for jet transport actually countering some of the alleged climate change effects, but that is another issue.
Again, looking at the picture above, you can see from the trails that there is at least one, if not two waypoint intersections in that piece of sky. If you extrapolate the older trails toward the newer ones, you can tell that the upper winds are likely blowing from left to right.

Whilst my eperience is not in flying jets, I have had to pass exacltly the same exams in Meterology as any jet pilot. I also have had to prove considerable knowlege in the composotion of sprays, how to acheive desired droplet size, and how to apply the chemical to a specific target. To do my job, you need to understand the behaviour of the atmosphere and of the sprays themselves. So, I am at least a little qualified to make observations. I also would be the first to tell you if I ever saw anything sinister in the sky.
The patterns people are seeing are just the drifting trails of multiple aircraft flying similar or intersecting routes ( with 1000ft vertical separation if crossing eachother). Whilst consecutive aircraft will most often be flying the identical route over the ground, in many cases, the winds at altitude cause them to drift downwind. A few minutes difference between aircraft will show two distinct trails, even though both have flown the same path over the ground.
Add some other traffic crossing a busy route and before you know it, you have some gigantic grids to observe.

The concept of someone actually collecting some ‘chemtrail’ material is highly unlikely. I am not suggesting that someone did not collect some sort of sample, and I am as concerned as anyone else if the substances found were correct, but I can tell you categorically that there is absolutely no possible way to determine which, if any, ‘trail’ it came from.
Again I make the point that you are looking for answers in the wrong direction. Would it not be a whole lot easier to get proof of of the chemicals being loaded on the aircraft? Why don’t you get together and offer a reward to coax proof from a groundsperson who is involved? There simply has to be thousands of them involved, and surely one would squeal for some cash? Hell, I’ll pledge some cash myself, if someone can convince me it’s going on. Perhaps you should align yourselves with the armies of plane-spotters out there, who are in fact, very creditable and accurate observers of the comings and goings from any of our bigger airports. I can assure you these guys would tell you in a flash if they saw anything you might be interested in.

Unfortunately, the average non-aviator, with respect, is a notorioulsy poor observer of anything in the sky. I well remember when the DC10 was a new thing, at an airshow I attended, there was a competition to guess the height of the aircraft as it flew down the runway. There were estimations ranging from 150ft to 12,000ft. The vast majorty were sure the DC10 was higher than 5,000ft. Turns out it was at 2,000ft.
I’m not trying to be disrespectful here, but people are generally hopeless observers of things they do not understand.

Australia has some very concentrated ‘air corridoors.’ The Eastern seaboard and well into central NSW has a lot of traffic indeed. Navigation is via fixed points on the ground which are either navigation beacons, or numerously today, simple GPS waypoints. These are used in sequence to create ‘roads’ in the sky, which the aircraft follow very precisely thanks to GPS. There are busy times on any route which are typically early morning and late afternoon. Even some points in seemingly remote parts of Australia will see prolific trails, simply because they are situated at a busy waypoint or intersection of routes.

I suggest you be very careful in making assumptions without proof. If what you think is going on, is actually happenning , on the scale you think it is, then you should have heard some real proof from someone. I mean real proof, not hearsay.
If I wanted to spray you, I would be using a much more accurate, less expensive and less visible method. But I don’t, and would never do it.
Best wishes in your search for truth.

Comment from buster
Time November 30, 2010 at 2:38 pm

If this is pretty common. Why have we not seen them before? I look at the sky regularly & have never noticed them to this frequency. Commercial planes dont just chuck a uey & criss cross their contrails. That is the job of sky writers. Its happening all over the world. Im hesitant to jump on the conspiracy wagon but Im sure of one thing, it has to do with making money. There seems to be a pattern with the trails, mining sites & spiral shapes on the bom radar. Gas mines are popping up all over australia. The appin radar has been down for weeks, right after the spraying started between the vic border & sydney 3-4 weeks ago. Expect gas mining in that area within the next 2 years. Wait & see. Im sure there are multiple agendas afoot but for now, the facts need to be addressed. And the fact is; its happening right now, right above our heads & nothing is being said or done about it in the mainstream media. Ring your local member for parliament. Start local action groups. Be seen. Be heard. Someone in the media needs to be proactive about this!!!! They start these trails in the country areas. Rarely over the cities. I believe with the intent they will blow in to the city unnoticed. Watch your weather. When you see the trails, which city will it move to. There is a pattern Im sure. Good luck.

Comment from Laurie
Time December 1, 2010 at 9:02 pm

These trails are noticed more now, simply because more people are aware of the mis-guided concept of ‘chemtrails’. Suddenly a whole lot of people are indeed looking up, more than they ever used to. And surprise - they will see the contrails. And of course this is what is being seen all over the world. Nobody cared or noticed untill the concept that someone was deliberately spraying them, was suggested. Then, scared by fear of something they can see, but not comprehend, the issue skyrockets into a massive hysteria indeed.
As a pilot with an interest in my workplace, I have noticed these trails since childhood. Just because you haven’t does not mean they are anything new.
Yes, there are many many trails in the sky. Yes they will form all sorts of patterns. If they didn’t form patterns then you could assume that all those airliners were just bumbling around, in a random fashion, hoping not to hit eachother. The patterns are simply showing you the air traffic system at work. When you travel on a jet, do you like knowing that the aircraft is travelling a precise route? I sure do. Are their trails sinister? No.
Gas mining is scheduled to take place over much of Australia, and in the near future. That is no secret and nothing to do with so-called chemtrails. What is the supposed link anyway?
It should be noted that in the last couple of years there has been high activity in the field of aerial digital mapping and survey work. Some of it has even been related to gas exploration. But in the scheme of things, the number of these flights are insignificant compared to normal commercial flights. Also, most geophysical survey flying is done below 25,000ft, with little potential for your trails.
If you continue to assume that every airliner trail is a covert spraying operation then your search for the truth will never gain any kind of credibility.
Take a look at the statistics for airliner travel around Australia. It is staggering. Coolangatta has nearly 50,000 people per month on average flying in!! What do you think the numbers between Melb and Sydney might be??
Again, I make the point, if you really think there is anything covert going on, your best bet is to find and observe these aircraft when they are on the ground. Aircraft ‘chemtrailing’ at the hights you suggest, are by necessity far too large to operate from small country airports, so you only need concentrate your looking at the bigger ones, say from the size of Albury upward. But wait, I guess someone’s going to tell me there are dozens of secret airports all over Australia next?
Relax and put your energies toward something more productive for your fellows.

Comment from Laurie is a Shill
Time December 2, 2010 at 1:03 am

How fortunate this site is to have a “crop duster” pilot just happen to blow in on this topic to put us (who have average common sense) at ease with his explaination of total garbage.

Just think for 1 sec,, if secret spraying op’s are going on around the world (which they without doubt are) do you really think they would sit on there hands and do nothing when masses start to wake,,no they would get people like laurence to troll these forums and tell us in the most love hugging way: you are seeing things, this is all normal, all the chemtrail fallout that fall from the sky collected and analysed by scientists around the world are conspiracy nuts, you dont wanna be like them do ya?,
no offence but only pilots have the credentials to know whats going on and believe me nothings going on.
Well Laurence have u seen the clip an American commercial pilot put on u tube after cruising up behind and above a CT plane filming the spray trail being turned on and off in short and long bursts, bragging how he was going to put the chemtrail vid on u tube, what shall we call that,,hmm lets see minature pockets of interaction between solar vaccume and aerial combustion with a pinch of bulls%it

Laurence how are you going to explain the massive deposits of allimimiun and barium found up to 1000 times higher then normal levels now found in soils around the world,,,,,,maybe its a good time for you to ask for a pay rise!

As for your “I guess someones going to tell me there are dozens of secret airports all over Australia next” line,
You must be aware of the increase of US military bases all around Australia, not just in pine gap, next youll be telling us they all row here. (you can google that too)

How are you going to explain congressman Dennis Kucinich’s bill he tried to pass in 2001 that refers to banning CHEMTRAILS , you can read the bill below

http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/weather_mod_bill_to_restrict_weather_control_kucinich.htm

I advise anyone who wants a closer version of the truth to watch the new documentary “What in the world are they spraying” google it free.
You will soon work out who laurence is, id doubt he/she’s even a pilot

Comment from Laurie
Time December 2, 2010 at 6:48 pm

Perhaps I could clarify my position a little. Yes I am an agricultural pilot. Yes I agree that natural airliner contrails are having an effect on climate by virtue of the sun-blocking high-level clouds they sometimes form. No, nobody is paying me to write this stuff, which is a shame because there is plenty to write.
I have indeed spent many hours trolling through the numerous utube clips, including, I think, the one mentioned above. Have to say, I saw a lot of great shots of contrails, but the comments were just wrong.
If there are areas where there are unusual concentrations of wierd substances, then get your act together and find out how it got there. I fully support anyone who can solve such peculiarities, and those responsible have to be made accountable. The trouble is, by assuming that every contrail you see is a chemtrail, then you destroy your own argument and will continue to be labelled by authorities as a misguided group, not to be taken seriously.
Without exception, from what I have seen so far on utube clips, the pro-chemtrail comments and observations are just bizarre. For example, a shot of a taxying 727 is labelled as a chemtrail spray plane because it has no windows and no markings. Why does this excite suspicion? Are you not aware that since these old types no longer cut the mustard as people transporters (too old for customers to be happy with) they invariably get set up as freighters. This means the seats and passenger stuff is removed, windows blanked off as a cargo interior is fitted. These old girls number in the thousands and keep our airfreight system moving. Why unmarked? A lot of the smaller freight companies do not have a fancy logo, nor care about one. Nobody knows who the hell they are anyway. Plus, I have been told by colleagues in the freight game that sometimes it is an advantage to be unmarked at some destinations so as not to attract the same high-level graft costs the name-brand freighter attract, from corrupt customs and fuel agents.
Another clip comment related to footage of two airliners flying the same route, with one above the other. The upper one making minimal trail whilst the lower one did. The comment was that these spray boys use legitamate airliners to mask their wherabouts. Sounds like a great idea except that the far more plausible observation is simply that both aircraft are on the same route with the usual 1000ft vertical separation required by law.

You don’t seem to have any concept of just how much of Australia is observed from above every day, by all manner of pilots and civillians. Where are these secret bases?How do they hide them? But do not assume for a moment that I support any increased US activity on pur soil, because I absolutely do not. If I ever saw ’secret’ base, I would be telling you loud and clear.
Another clip touted as showing a chemical drop is in fact air to air footage of a Boeing 747 Airtanker (we call them firebombers) doing a test drop during trials for forest fire suppression work. That is the fact of it.

If there is sinister stuff going on, you have to very very careful how you approach it. Peoples enthusiasm is turning this argument into a laughing-stock, and ultimately provide the best cover ever for anyone who actually was up to no good. Think about it.
Speak only informed truth and not wild supposition and your cause will regain strength.
I reiterate that in oreder for commercial airliners to be spraying you, all over the world, there by default has to be the absolute biggest global conspiracy ever at work, involving not thousands, but millions of aviation professionals. Tell me, are all these pilots, crew, engineers, groundstaff, admin people, loadmasters, bean counters, and so on suppressed by threat or paid off by wads of cash? Out of the millions who would have to be aware of it, nobody spills the beans? Come on.
The crew don’t know about it, you might suggest. Well, Why are there not scores of crashes from overloaded aircraft (cause the crew didn’t know about the 2000kg tank that the engineers never spotted either) failing to clear the fence.

Comment from Laurie is a Shill
Time December 2, 2010 at 9:52 pm

For a pilot you got sh&tloads of time on your hands, shouldnt u be out spayn pea crops or something.
Gotta give you “A” for persistence against the face of reality though.
You really are a good speaker,, you sure your not a politician,,the only real damage your doing is to confuse the people that are on the fence so to speak, ones that have not researched the hard facts and evidence, ones that have not actually seen these sprays widen out covering a once clear blue sky,, but that’s all your goal is, you already know that, is it not Laurence, to keep the semi asleep semi asleep, you dont even attempt to address the above points, but only to linger on hypnotic like with false words of wisdom to come across as a reasonably good fellow,,,,well Laurence, let me tell you something EVERYBODY awakens at some point,,tell that to your paymaster…

People… Chemtrails are either real or not real,,Laurence’s goal is to mentally place you in the middle of those realities through doubt, thus disabling your action’s.,,,you will not hear from me again,,,,,,,,,, Merry Chrismas Mr Laurence

Comment from The Feisty One
Time December 3, 2010 at 1:06 pm

Laurie, I haven’t seen anyone on this forum, trying to say that all airliners are spraying chemtrails..

Those of us who have been observing chemtrails for a while, know what is a contrail and what is not. There are plenty of planes in the sky, leaving normal contrails. We don’t have any beef with them.

I have seen chemtrails being sprayed, and if the conditions are right, in a few hours time you can see them drifting down towards earth on the air currents. Nobody can tell me that is how normal contrails behave!

And yes, sometimes they do stop and start! You better believe it! If you aren’t seeing it, then count yourself lucky that your part of the world is not being bombarded.

And how about this picture…(http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z403/kausgirl/DSCF0042.jpg) taken only a couple of weeks ago in Canberra. Can you explain this away, too?

These strange formations stayed in the sky for hours, gradually spreading out into a haze, so don’t try to tell me it was a sky-writer, because sky writing disappears quite quickly.

Call me crazy, but it looks very much like it spells out “XIC”. Google it, and it will come up as “the mark of the beast”. Now, that’s either some kind of expensive hoax, or it’s something sinister. Wouldn’t you agree?

I cannot claim to know “who” or “why” we we’re being sprayed, but my common sense tells me that something is not right here.

Sure, chemtrails are “hit and miss” like you say. But if everyone is your target, it doesn’t really matter if it hits or misses, because eventually everyone gets affected. Either in the air, or in the water supply, or leached into the soil. Either way, eventually everyone is affected.

See, you don’t want to kill people off suddenly. That would cause an uproar, and might actually spur people into taking action.

No, no, no. They don’t want that. You kill people little by little - death by degrees. You want them well enough to keep working and paying their taxes like good little sheep, but sick enough that they spend a small fortune on pharmaceuticals, and lethargic enough that they don’t really care too much about anything, so long as they can sit in front of the tv, eating their microwave dinner…

So, you spray some poisons in the air, add some fluoride into their water (under false pretenses), a few thousand different toxins into their food supply, and soon people start to think it’s normal to be sick all the time. Oh, that’s normal to get coughs and colds all the time. ..It’s normal to have “allergies”… It’s normal to be on five different medications by the time you turn 50. People…..THAT’S NOT NORMAL!!!!! That is a sign of a sick society!!

Have you heard the saying…

“They came first for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

People whinge and whine about the government, but they still believe that the government will protect them against anything that’s REALLY bad…

Yes, let’s look at their track record will we? There’s mercury tooth fillings, mercury in vaccines, Agent Orange, aspartame, fluoride, thalidomide and on and on it goes.

So don’t trust in the government to protect us. They’ve proven that they’ll KNOWINGLY subject us to things that will harm us, and then cover their tracks to protect themselves.

Pharmaceutical companies have been caught out writing up fake research in medical journals, falsifying records, and submitting false data in order to get their drugs approved for sale. They use “respected” scientists and doctors to give their product credibility.

It just goes to show, that when you have billions of dollars to throw around, you can always find someone “respectable” to say whatever you want them to, and keep the masses satisfied that all is well with the world, and that the latest reality TV show is really the most important thing that we need to worry ourselves over…

I’ll trust in my own instincts and form my own judgements before I trust the words of “experts”, thank you very much.

They’re only experts until some other expert comes along to prove them wrong…

Comment from Laurie
Time December 5, 2010 at 7:36 am

Laurie is a Shill, your’e right, I have some time on my hands right now. I’m not spraying, I’m on standby with a firebomber. And do you assume my name is Laurence just the same way you assume other things?
The Feisty One, I thank you for your comments. I actually wholeheartedly agree with all your sentiments and comments. We are on the same page indeed. Except for when I looked at the picture, which I’m afraid only shows contrails as far as I can judge. (looks like a waypoint at lower left and a wind from left to right.) As for the symbolism, well I doubt that anyone would have bothered to organise the four or five separate aircraft to generate something to draw attention to themselves would they?
I have never seen a trail apparently settle toward earth, and god knows I look at them plenty. Contrails, like clouds are all unique, and there can always be lots of variation in their appearence.
I am also totally opposed to any kind of climate control, so if anyone can point me at who is doing this I would appreciate it.
I have yet to see anthing that I would consider out of place on any footage presented as chemtrailing. And although not everyone is saying that all airliners are doing it, the ‘evidence’ put forward is almost entirely comprised of sightings and photos and footage of completely normal aircraft activity. Everyone passionate about the topic, when they see a jet trail, is automatically concluding the worst without any basis for it whatsoever - because they are pasionate about what might be going on. And I understand that. Credibility is everything when it comes to exposing a crime. Somehow, as a group you need to filter out the mistaken observations and collate the genuine ones. Otherwise the masses will never take you seriously.
There is quite possibly some seriously bad stuff happenning, though on a scale much smaller than is being generally assumed.
I also have to say, despite what some might accuse me of being, I am heartened by the fact that so many people are indeed questioning things. This is what is needed today more than ever in history, since never before have the people been lied to as much as right now.
Good luck all.

Comment from Concerned Aussie
Time December 5, 2010 at 8:15 pm

Laurie, maybe you should have a look at the latest whistleblower who has credentials, please see below link.

http://www.infowars.com/rosalind-peterson-the-chemtrail-cover-up/

Comment from Jason
Time December 6, 2010 at 11:15 am

‘Im not going to presume theres something funny going on’ you fukwit !
wrap a public conditioner in a show with TRUTH in the title lol SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE THAT THERES NOT SOMETHING UNDERHANDED GOING ON !

Comment from Comment from a girl
Time December 6, 2010 at 11:55 am

Laurie, Mate there is too many flaws in your comments.
You say as jets are now more advanced and flying higher that is why we are seeing these trails, then you say they have been around since the 50’s.
Just like 9/11 truthers are trying to convince people of the truth and know how hard it is to convince someone as they just keep shouting… show me the evidence.
Mate.. You piss me off.. really.. This morning I see massive whiteout over Melbourne sky’s caused by jets.
I’m not far from the city and I can hardly see the city or in any direction really, because this white haze is falling onto us everywhere (its not windy either). So this white haze over our city and suburbs today is normal, most days it is seen when trails are there, the trails are there everyday now.
So this is just normal is it? This has been around since the fifties has it ??? No it hasn’t ! You are trying to insult peoples intelligence are you ? Yes contrails are real and fade after some time but since when do planes white out the whole sky and fall on us ? Where is the blue skies gone ? I saw papers by US government advisers saying to fight global warming it would be easy to add chemicals to jets fuels to blanket the sky and shield us from global warming and not effect the engines performance. Maybe this is why we are having major airlines getting major engine problems. But to me it is not commercial airlines as I have used binoculars and telescopes to view these airlines and they are always unidentifiable.
There are many US bases around Australia and its no secret more are coming. Also what the hell is going on with the BOM national weather radar lately, so many strange patterns and crosses and cyclone multicoloured patterns happening everyday now.
I do not remember in my childhood or any time up to the last 6 years this sort of thing happening and I have always looked up, since I was a boy was fascinated with climate and weather.
The memory now of most people is simple, it is hard to remember 5 minutes ago it wasn’t like this before. Short term memory loss is very bad. Everyone I have spoken to all say this.
Hell.. They are capable of killing many in the World trade centre and children in oklahoma bombing, having secret G20 meeting that no one knows what they talking about, massive security for US and other World government leaders, because they think they are there to rule us and not rule for the peoples.
Stay tuned as things are getting interesting quickly.

Comment from Damian
Time December 6, 2010 at 4:31 pm

there is a big white out of our skies today in Melbourne and everyone is feeling very very drained it is the effects of bad chemtrails. I have never felt so weak and tired like I do now, its getting much worse attacks are happening in every levels and not just chemtrails.
Check this out - http://www.infowars.com/is-the-internet-911-under-way/

Comment from Zeist
Time December 7, 2010 at 4:28 am

I have an open mind on the issue, after being initially quite skeptical I have several friends that are obsessed with the chemtrail issue and have looked into it somewhat.

What I have found so far is interesting but inconclusive, the main thing I find infuriating is the lack of motive, what are they for?

Weather modification?

Spread viruses or other bacteria, dangerous metals etc?

Putting up a protective blanket to protect the planet from cosmic or solar radiation?

Every Chemtrailer ive come across cant answer me that simple question, its a different answer each time if any.

I agree with Laurie that many Chemtrail enthusiasts do themselves no favors by putting up you tube videos of Evergreen fire tankers and US Airforce refueling tankers as evidence of Chemtrail aircraft which anyone with some knowledge of aircraft or the military would instantly recognize for what they were.

I am aware however that the Russians put a treaty forward during the Salt II disarmament talks in the 60s/70s to ban weather modification as a weapon of war - cloud seeding and weather experiments do take place - aerial virus spreading experiments have taken place over civilian targets in Britain and the US in the 50s - and there is allegedly concern about a solar flare frying the earth in certain circles in the 2012 expected solar maximum.

As I said I am in two minds about it - I could see the protection blanket from solar radiation thing and weather modification for helping or hindering food production being possible reasons but thats all.

Simply cutting water for farmers like they are doing now is a far more effective way to destroy food production and simply adding viruses and metals to the water supply like they are doing with fluoride is a far cheaper and more effective way to kill or sicken the population if they wanted to do that.

There is a spiritual principal at work here many Chemtrail people are so wrapped up they fail to see, the creation of fear - the sky is falling chicken little doom effect, there is nothing you can do about Chemtrails - your doomed - fear - fear - fear.

What you believe, you create, if you have no hope, you will have none.

There is hope and they are things very factual and present very close to all of us that are of great danger to us all and as I said I stilll have an open mind to Chemtrails but I have this nagging feeling that all this could possibly be a false flag - to pull people away from a productive anti NWO path and into a panicked fearful direction into an issue that if true none of us can do anything about save a total worldwide revolution.

Ive still got an open mind but until more evidence becomes available and at least a reason for why chemtrails exist im going to keep my focus on things I know for fact are deadly to us and I can do something about - ie Fluoride, Banking System, Political System, Community etc etc

Good luck with your investigations - and dont live in fear - its what the NWO wants!

Comment from Daniel
Time December 7, 2010 at 8:59 am

They were Chemtrailing the hell out of the NSW Central Coast on Sunday! There was cloud cover around but you could see it through the gaps in the clouds… I have some great pics to prove it too…!!

Comment from Laurie
Time December 7, 2010 at 12:14 pm

Thank you Zeist for your ballanced input. The topic of treaties regarding climate modification is interesting. There have been many such agreements made, and over very many years. The main focus has usually been on use of climate modification as a weapon of war - ie deliberately causing famine or flood in a target country. I’m glad they have the agreements, but am realistic enough to know that nothing is in place to stop the development of such military techniques. They have doubtless done some shocking things, and likely still do. This kind of activity is doubtless going on, with military backing. However, civillian climate modification has been going on for decades. In fact, when working in Asia recently I met an ex-pat who has spent 12 years flying cloud seeding operations. Silver iodide is sprayed into clouds to encourage rainfall. He confided that he really had no idea if the work had any measurable effect. And just why you would spend money to make it rain in a country where it rains every bloody day regardless, I have no idea, and he could not tell me either. They have been cloud seeding in Tasmania for ages also, in a effort to make rain fall in the catchment areas. The jury is still out as to whether this has had any real benefit as intended. In other places this activity is used to diffuse building storms by releasing moisture in the form of rain, before it has a chance to become crop-damaging hail.
Comment from a girl, you saw the same cirrus cover I saw that day in Melbourne. Daniel, you simply saw contrails - again. Tell me guys, how do you differentiate between a normal contrail and a chemtrail? In fact, how do you tell the difference between a normal cloud and trail? You seem to be able to, so why not tell everyoone just how to tell the difference?
Yes, jet trails form clouds and probably have a measurable effect on surface temperatures.
Keep your minds open and follow Zeits advice and perhaps focus on more pressing events going on under your upturned noses. Zeit seems to have a good handle on the important issues.
Keep looking around you and good luck.

Comment from Zeist
Time December 7, 2010 at 1:39 pm

On the encouragement of my Chemtrailer friends ive just downloaded that movie “What in the World are they Spraying” - ill have a look at that and let you know what I think of it - remember I have an open mind to the issue and I consider it a possibility that Chemtrails exist for whatever reason but I also am quite happy to play devils advocate in order to assist in providing a solid foundation for the Chemtrail argument.
Theres nothing that saddens me more than a friend of mine going off half cocked with a picture of a fire tanker or a Military refueling aircraft and loudly and passionately proclaiming it to be clear evidence of Chemtrail aircraft only to see someone shoot them down in flames - I see absolutely no danger in having a solid foundation for an argument and having your facts straight.

I recommend that people investigating an issue also look at information from the opposing side, ie somewhere like contrailscience.com and look at their claims, although again not necessarily correct you may find the information therein actually strengthens your argument by allowing you to identify the obvious disinformation thereby providing a more solid argument for yourself ie no one will shoot you down in flames easily.

For example there is a picture doing the rounds of a commercial aircraft filled with barrels of something instead of seats, this is often claimed as a chemtrail aircraft but some even Boeing itself say that this is to pump water around the prototype aircraft to simulate different load conditions ie passenger loads and moving passengers around the aircraft whilst in flight.

http://contrailscience.com/contrail-or-chemtrail/

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread361608/pg1

Make your own mind up but at least be aware of such information so you can defend yourself when someone else who is aware cant shoot you down in flames easily.

On the side of Chemtrails there are allegations that Evergreen aviation out of Pinal Airpark just outside of MARANA ARIZONA (Google Earth it) is a CIA front company and is involved in numerous nefariouse activities beside fire fighting.

http://theintelhub.com/2010/05/29/evergreen-air-cia-chemtrail-facility-leaked/

Interesting - also - photos like this leave me wondering whats going on.

http://tobefree.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/chemdees2_dees.jpg?w=568&h=505

I leave it up to you but in the mean time id like to get an idea from all of you here - assuming Chemtrails do exist what is their purpose?

Id like to get a bit of a survey as to what each of you here think they are for?

Comment from Zeist
Time December 7, 2010 at 1:54 pm

A good picture from David Dees you guys might like.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/tinfoil_dees.jpg

Comment from Zeist
Time December 7, 2010 at 8:48 pm

Watched the documentary “What in the World are they Spraying”.

Quite a well done doco but I would have hoped they would have done more science, in particular from non aligned independent sources.
Other than that I thought it was very good.

Synopsis - A global Geo Engineering program has been implemented without the knowledge or authorization of the people of the world, this program has been underway for 5 years and the Aluminum and Barium compounds dropped are having destructive effects on Plant and Animal life - destroying the ecosystem.

The program is targeting only Western Nations - Europe, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Why I wonder are only Western “European” Nations being targeted?
I wonder who would benefit from this ie wiping Europeans of the face of the earth?

Comment from Damian
Time December 8, 2010 at 12:18 am

Laurie has his partner on board Zeist, your wording seems similar and your actions in text. It is laughable and in the same regards it insults all here.

We all know who’s watching who.. don’t we.

This is not normal, our sun is constantly being blocked out. No more blue skies from only 6-8 years ago. Mist/haze in our air blocking views, even in the country..and on and on and on it goes.
That’s it relax you all worry to much.. breath in that hazy air everywhere. Suck it in. Feel good now. What ! you are getting sick again? You are always sick. Yes, I have never been this much sick in my life and it takes a long time to recover.. You were just sick 3 weeks ago and now you are again
Don’t insult people here we know the difference between contrails.. they fad, they don’t cover the hole sky causing it to go white and then drop down on us in a haze atmosphere.

Stop coming on here and saying we want proof, show me proof you are who you say you are. REAL PROOF!

“Proof | Define Proof at Dictionary.com
evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth. 2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have? … ”

A wicked generation asks for proof and miracles before they believe.

Comment from Laurie
Time December 8, 2010 at 9:22 am

Ok Damian, I ask you again. How do YOU determine a contrail from a chemtrail.

Comment from Damian
Time December 8, 2010 at 11:14 am

From a pilot like you mate - http://www.bluenomore.com/
Contrails disappear after some time, chemtrails fill the sky and then continue to fall creating a hazy atmosphere, clouds don’t fall on us!

Comment from 7akar1
Time December 8, 2010 at 11:44 am

When ants are sprayed they have no awareness it is happening to them….
much like what is happening to us!

Comment from Zeist
Time December 8, 2010 at 1:13 pm

“Laurie has his partner on board Zeist, your wording seems similar and your actions in text. It is laughable and in the same regards it insults all here.”

Errr righto mate.

I simply have an open mind on the issue.

Comment from Laurie
Time December 8, 2010 at 3:14 pm

Well Damian, I just wasted some bandwidth checking out the link above at ‘bluenomore’.
I would reccommend anyone interested in this subject get on line and take a look at Bureau of Met standard cloud charts. You will see them on the wall at any flying school probably. You can look at 50 year old ones, and see the same stuff, in case you think the Bureau has been paid to produce “new’ charts to hide something. Take the time to become familiar with high-level clouds. remember that the major types are shown, but of course, there is an infinite variety of clouds that sit between the named types.
Mr Bluenomore has captured a fine collection of jet-induced cloud forms, and I do not deny that. I certainly agree that persistant jet trails must be affecting surface temperatures, and that likely is not too good.
I have some questions about Mr Bluenomore. Is he prepared to tell me his ARN? He seems keen to extract money from frightened chemtrail believers. He needs to resit his Met exams too, just quietly, as some of his met assumptions are just plain wrong, and therefore misleading.
How does he judge the height of these mystery aircraft? How does he judge the height of the clouds? How does he identify the aircraft as KC130 or whatever? Why does he assume he will always hear them. Why does he assume the aircraft have been modified for quietness? Lot of baseless assumptions here.
Picture two indeed shows two jets on reciprical courses. Nothing odd there, because they are the legal minimum 5nm horizontal spacing, and almost certainly at least 1000ft vertical spacing as well. But Mr Bluenomore, from a distance of probably twenty miles can tell you categorically they darned near hit, and were not commercial airliners. What bunkum.
Picture 3. Persistant contrails ARE clouds people - just man made. Various stratoform clouds can exist at all manner of heights, and usually do. The atmosphere is not as accommodatingly uniform as Blunomore might think.
Picture 4. Different cloud heights and different wind directions? Well derrr.
Another shot tells the story of a beautiful CB (thunderstorm) which mysteriously stayed in the same spot for over an hour. Well, if that aint the work of an evil regime I don’t know what is. What unmittigated drivel to suggest that a slow or near staionary storm is something to be suspicious of. Get real.
The whole collection is just fine if you want to make a case for how airline travel can be affecting our climate. That I would support!! But it is not logical to blandly assume that all viewed on these pictures is the result of evil. I could write a page on each shot, but why bother? Other than persistant and stratoforming contrails, there is absolutely nothing to suggest anything related to the cause of Chemtrailing. Does he just expect everyone to jump to the same baseless conclusions he does? Plenty will, I guess, and send money too. What a brilliant scam to make some cash.
Perhaps Damian, you could be more specific about trails you have seen ‘Fall’. Which are the Chemtrails and which are the contrails? Are they ALL chemtrails? And if not, which are not then? We need to sort out the difference for everyones sake.
If you are worried about odd chemical levels, don’t confine your search too much.

Comment from Damian
Time December 8, 2010 at 3:25 pm

I look in comparisons to both texts, wording and tones.
Nice to see you have all the right links organised too, showing photos of tins foil on the heads..yes you have an open mind don’t you.

Comment from Enouranois
Time December 8, 2010 at 3:33 pm

As usually happens, discussion here has degenerated into reaction against the input of a troll, or one or two trolls. It doesn’t take much to disrupt rational debate.

The most significant recent development on the chemtrails front is the moratorium achieved at Nagoya.

It was achieved by a group, the ETC group, who are to some extent insiders in the ecological/global warming industry, which means they play the required game there, including denial that “solar radiation management” is anything other than a series of proposals.

They nevertheless deserve some kudos for achieving the moratorium.

Whether chemtrails are meant to kill us, make us sick, reduce the level of incoming sunlight or facilitate the operations of HAARP, the fact remains that the only front on which opportunities for public debate are being made available is the geoengineering front.

Keith, Caldeira, Robock and company have been given the task of selling “solar radiation management” to the public and to that extent the subject has been allowed out onto the political area, where we can have a role.

The ETC group has also set up a movement called “Hands off Mother Earth”. The existence of this movement makes it possible for us to state that we do not recognize the credentials of any scientist or other spokesman to express views on the subject of geoengineering if he or she has not explicitly and publicly declared support for H.O.M.E.

Many trolls (indeed most trolls) also say they are opposed to geoengineering proposals, so they can be asked if they have declared support for H.O.M.E. and told that until they have, their claims to be opposed to geoengineering lack credibility.

The same logic applies in relation to the moratorium. Almost all governments except the government of the USA have signed it, so the task in all countries now is to find out who was sent to represent their country at the Biological Diversity conference in Nagoya and starting from these persons raise the question of why their governments have signed a moratorium they are not respecting. In the context of this question it becomes more difficult to put forward the usual disinformation, but if the attempt is made to claim that your government IS observing the moratorium on geoengineering, the demand should be to get this claim in writing.

As for setting up new political parties, etc. the Australian Sovereignty Party and so on, these parties take positions on other subjects that might not be to the liking of all opponents of chemtrails. Ideally the Green parties should be agitating on chemtrails, or even on geoengineering, but of course they are not. With the sole exception of the Greens of Cyprus. It is to be hoped that other Green parties can be shamed by their example.

At the Enouranois website we have published a position statement that others might like to take up:

http://www.enouranois.gr/english/indexenglish.htm

By the way, it is about time that John Bursill and the Oz Truth Movement started getting their finger out on the subject of chemtrails. Their current position raises questions about their integrity. A declaration of support for Hands off Mother Earth would seem to be a minimum requirement.

Comment from Zeist
Time December 8, 2010 at 5:29 pm

“showing photos of tins foil on the heads..yes you have an open mind don’t you.”

Mate I think David Dees is trying to show the ignorance of the general population with this picture - at least thats what I see when I look at this picture.

Im not sure what you saw in it but clearly not what I saw, different personality types see different things in the same picture vis a vis ink blot tests.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/tinfoil_dees.jpg

Id be interested to see what interpretation of this picture others on this board have?

Oh and PS - I do have an open mind, several posters on this board know me personally and can attest to this not that I should have to justify this to you or anyone else for simply asking questions and approaching the issue from a position of curiosity and balance.

As entertaining as it would be to continue to get your “look out - theres an agent” commentary it detracts from the issue at hand, id much prefer to see you devote your energy to investigating the Chemtrail issue and perhaps if you have time answer some of the questions I have asked?

Comment from Laurie is a shill
Time December 9, 2010 at 12:40 am

Ok you guys are making me dizzy,,,
Damian, ,Zeist is definitely not in cahoots with laurie, as i know Zeist personally (he really does have an open mind on CT’s) which drives me crazy….
On the other hand Laurence being a pilot and sounding very intelligent (no offence kel) leaves me no other option to believe he’s a shill..
Having said that and knowing Zeist to be a decent honest guy who i have committed vast operations with,,,,,there is a chance that laurence is not a shill (2.6% probability) after all, but a intellect having limited vision on CT’s.

If i am wrong about you Laurence please forgive me and i’ll owe you in another time,,if not may God have mercy on your deceptive spirit

Comment from The Feisty One
Time December 9, 2010 at 9:22 am

Congrats to Enouranois. I had a look around your website, and also the Hands off Mother Earth campaign.

Laurie…so you “wholeheartedly agree” with everything I say….except the bit about chemtrails?! LOL.

Comment from Damian
Time December 9, 2010 at 10:19 am

Mate its all tongue in cheek ; )

Comment from Nuts
Time December 9, 2010 at 10:49 am

Time will tell. Sooner or later the reasoning for this will surface.

I believe the reason they are only doing this over NATO countries is likely an airspace issue. They would be identified & exposed over others. Possibly forcibly removed.

The link with HAARP would denote some sort of weapon. The military like these things alot. Possibly a shield for some impending attack.

The link with NASA would suggest a solar shield. Solar flares are on the increase. This is a fact. A major solar flare has the potential to destroy every electronic device on the planet. This would wipeout the world economy. David Dees picture showing people with tin foil on their heads is highlighting this possibility, albeit this being a guise for other control mechanisms.

It seems no coincidence that there has been alot of rain since these chemtrails have increased here in oz. One would think, if you had control of the weather you would stop the rain during the cropping season. It seems poorly timed to me. The impact that weather mod would have on economic markets is profound. A good crop this year would see a massive decrease in the cost of food. If you control the weather you control the economy. Scarcity drives markets.

Like Zeist, Im striving to stay open on this. I remembered meeting an old fellow who is a glider some months ago. He introduced me to the concept of lee waves. They have some similarities to the wave clouds people proclaim as chemtrail clouds or artificial clouds. I saw them over the western plain in Sydney yesterday. Though they seem to come & go much quicker than a normal lee wave. Im looking further into this connection. Maybe Laurie can add something on this from a pilots perspective. Please be open but Laurie, to all probabilities. The planes are real. The technology is real. The strange weather is real. The ‘agenda” is the unknown. Im sure for many involved the “intention” is good. Unfortunately there’s one thing I know for sure & has been known since the dawn of time. If you mess with mother nature she’s gonna give you a walloping sooner or later. Biodiversity is the only answer.

Further study is required but Im leaning towards the outcome of heating up (exciting) the stratosphere. Would this push the cooler air down from the top of the troposphere causing a cooling effect? thereby pushing it higher or into the mesosphere? Some sort of inversion technique? Could this be an attempt to extend the troposphere which contains 75% of the earths atmosphere? Im no atmospheric scientist but all the “knowns” point to something in this region (at present).

Here’s a song about the likely cause of the problem & the reason we see chemtrails:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhX5W7JoWI

Comment from Zeist
Time December 9, 2010 at 1:09 pm

“The link with HAARP would denote some sort of weapon. The military like these things alot. Possibly a shield for some impending attack.

The link with NASA would suggest a solar shield. Solar flares are on the increase. This is a fact. A major solar flare has the potential to destroy every electronic device on the planet. This would wipeout the world economy.”

This is the reason im leaning towards, it doesn’t make sense for the Elite “based in NATO or Anglo Club Nations” to sheit in their own nests.

All the Eugenics stuff ive heard from Jones and the like have suggested the Elite want the “useless eaters” ie the Third World to be eliminated on mass and the Environment, Resources and Eco System preserved in a pristine state for their exclusive use.

If this is true it makes no sense for them to destroy the environment and ecosystems of Western Nations unless they posses an ability to easily clean up such pollution (that is currently unknown to the general science community) after the die off.

Only the Talmudic faction of the NWO wants to see the extinction of the European population of the world.
The Talmudic Faction = the people who own the Media, Banking System, Federal Reserve, World Bank etc, the people behind Communism, Fabian Socialism, Freemasonry and Zionism who promoted Feminism, Homosexuality, Multiculturalism and a culture of Criminality/Violence and Sexual degeneracy in Western Nations and only in Western Nations.

It is arguable whether the Talmudic faction is really in control of the NWO or just one other contender among several, however if the Talmudic branch is in total control now this could be the motive for the spraying/poisoning of Western Nations.

Im not sure but I tend to think its some kind of Defense mechanism with unintended negative environmental effects, a panicked reaction to something coming in the near future perhaps?
This is the most logical motive I can ascertain from the information I currently have.

We certainly are living in “Interesting Times”!

Comment from Nuts
Time December 9, 2010 at 4:57 pm

Yes. The environmental effects are secondary to the reason which must be big. This may be of interest: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/

Here we have the Australian delegates for the Convention of Biological diversity:

http://www.cbd.int/countries/contacts.shtml?country=au

Time to start asking questions. Spread the word far & wide.

Comment from Nuts
Time December 9, 2010 at 9:08 pm

Keep it real. Dont flood them with bollocks. They exist, we want to know why & we want it to stop. This technology has been banned. The fact it has been banned presupposes its existence & the evidence is in the sky. There’s a plethora of means to prove such a thing. There’s nothing to fear. We’ll get over it. We always do. The minute we dont, we’ll cease to exist. If you believe this is a possibility & do nothing to exercise your right to answers it would seem you prefer to live in fear. Trust me. There’s nothing to fear except that of our own construction. This is a matter for all of humanity to decide not a handful of people.

Comment from Conqueror
Time December 10, 2010 at 12:03 am

“and the Environment, Resources and Eco System preserved in a pristine state for their exclusive use.”
They don’t care about the environment, what happened to the gulf pipeline oil spill - nothing more on that, Brazilian rain forest, Indonesia forests, damage all over the World through mining. “Greed is Good” (to them).
These trails are not damaging your health so much as its damaging your mind, make you all into pacifists. Conditioning you. They have weapons of war and mind weapons that will make your skin crawl. Their is electromagnetic weaponry that can cause your brain to die. Maybe you have experience low doses when you have those dizzy spells that cause you to tilt to the left.

(don’t get all political correct on me I am not a racist and I have nothing against the real Jews of Abraham)
Now the Zionist want you all dead. Rockefeller and Rothschild are Jewish Zionists, they control the money, these groups own the TV/movie industries, wall street, mega cooperations, media, mining, congress and on it goes. Look at the massive fire-power they are building for themselves purchasing US weaponry and we can’t even get 1 Apache Attack Helicopter and the nuclear weapons they have.
The reason why they get away with it is because the masses and including lower and higher leaders don’t know and the few that do are funded to do as they are told. What politician would come out and say this is what they are up too..it’s goodbye for him.
They can take their power or life just like that. Follow the money trails and it all leads to ..?.. You guessed it !

I tell you now… stay tuned for a war like nothing you have witnessed in your young lives (as the wars of the past) that will change the way are World is, your comforts will be no more, your freedoms will change and how you will remember the good old days (if you survive). No one is going to be prepared for this and it will take you all by surprise.

Comment from Zeist
Time December 10, 2010 at 3:02 am

Harold Holt tried to get us Nukes and Nuclear power - to make us an independent self sufficient nation - he vanished without a trace..

Comment from Zeist
Time December 10, 2010 at 3:06 am

http://www.harold-holt.net/

Comment from roasted
Time December 10, 2010 at 11:12 am

Here we have the Australian delegates for the Convention of Biological diversity:

http://www.cbd.int/countries/contacts.shtml?country=au

Time to start asking questions. Spread the word far & wide.

Comment from roasted
Time December 10, 2010 at 11:21 am

posted earlier:

The same logic applies in relation to the moratorium. Almost all governments except the government of the USA have signed it, so the task in all countries now is to find out who was sent to represent their country at the Biological Diversity conference in Nagoya and starting from these persons raise the question of why their governments have signed a moratorium they are not respecting. In the context of this question it becomes more difficult to put forward the usual disinformation, but if the attempt is made to claim that your government IS observing the moratorium on geoengineering, the demand should be to get this claim in writing.

Comment from nuts
Time December 10, 2010 at 12:23 pm

“http://www.harold-holt.net/”

The 2nd law of the universe is a friendly reminder. Thank you Zeist.

Comment from Zeist
Time December 10, 2010 at 12:41 pm

I thought a lot of you would enjoy that little lightning bolt of wisdom.

Comment from nuts
Time December 10, 2010 at 2:11 pm

Handbook for a New Paradigm:

http://www.trufax.org/handbooks/paradigmvol1.html

I feel this thread has reached its end. Good bye & good luck.

Comment from Enouranois
Time December 10, 2010 at 8:27 pm

Comments on Rebecca Campbell

The question Rebecca Campbell asks here “if the purpose of solar radiation management” is benignly to prevent global warming, why is it done even now in secret??” is a question that is often asked by Nikos Katsaros, Greece’s best-known anti-chemtrails campaigning scientist.

Rebecca goes on to say that “many of the now environmentally-conscious public would accept this explanation if it were publicly given”, something which is quite possibly - and unfortunately - true, but it is still a surprising remark to come from a person whose views on climate change, as far as I know, tend towards anthropogenic climate change scepticism. Surely climate change sceptics would not number among those who would “accept this explanation”. Does not G. Edward Griffin in “What in the World are they Spraying” make heavily ironical remarks about how “when the truth comes out” the geoengineers will say “we did it for your own good”. He might joke about this, but is the joking a sign of possible future “acceptance”??? Perhaps I should make this a real question to G. Edward Griffin rather than a rhetorical question.

In fact this idea of a future “coming clean” on the part of the geoengineers has always to me seemed the least likely of possible outcomes, and also a factor that makes one wonder just where present official policies of deceit over geoengineering can possibly lead and what the ultimate result of them will be.

I cannot see how the geoengineers and their corporate and military-industrial-complex backers after so many years of telling lies are going to be able to negotiate a future “coming clean”. Their way of handling the contradictions of their policies consists in telling one story to one clientele: climate change scepticism for the conservatives, and another story: climate change scare-mongering and, surreptitiously, geoengineering to the other: liberals, leftists, ecologists.

Internally consistent, dispassionate, persuasive, hype-free scientific narrative is precisely what they have never been able to deliver. How will this be able to change in future? The logic of the political system obliges them to act as they do. They cannot just decide to act differently.

The historian and anti-nuclear activist E.P. Thompson, one of the leaders of the non-aligned European anti-nuclear movement of the nineteen eighties, promoted a satirical quasi-Marxist notion he called “exterminism”, which he saw as a phenomenon underlying the nuclear arms race of the “two superpowers”, the USA and the Soviet Union. He saw the Cold War as structured around an “inertial deadlock”, whose objective by-product was the nuclear arms race.

I would like to argue that this same inertial deadlock has been reproduced in today’s climate controversy. The protagonists today are not the competing nuclear superpowers of the USSR and the USA but the climate activists on one hand and the climate skeptics on the other. And both sides of that controversy have their supporters, and even to some extent their origins, in the nuclear weapons laboratories of America’s side (the winning side) of the Cold War.

The experiences that led E.P. Thompson to his theory of inertial deadlock were youthful experiences of membership of the Communist Party. At a certain point he decided that defending pro-Soviet policies of “defensive” nuclear weapons possession was sterile and counter-productive. He went on to become one of the founders of Britain’s Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament and a pioneering supporter of the demand for British unilateral nuclear disarmament.

I see many similarities between the stance of the old-style supporters of “defensive” Soviet nuclear weapons possession and present-day climate change activists who are still unaware of the role of geoengineering in the climate change debate. They have been co-opted into defending one side of a scenario of “inertial deadlock”. When the other side, the more aggressive “sceptic” side, gains the upper hand, as occurred with the “Climategate” scandal in the runup to the December 2009 Copenhagen climate summit , they are thrown onto the defensive, and remain locked into the defensive mode. They are becoming increasingly aware that they are “not winning”.

But who IS winning? The climate change skeptics?? They are not winning either. They are as disoriented at “winning” the climate change debate as they were by winning the Cold War.

Climate change has become the magic wand for justifying a whole array of destructive policies from nuclear power generation through genetic modification to carbon trading and geoengineering. Neither the climate change skeptics nor the climate change true believers who are ignorant of geoengineering (the majority) can resist the power of the magic wand: they remain participants in the bipolar debate of mainstream politics whose aim is – precisely – to reproduce the inertial deadlock.

The skeptics remain skeptical even of valuable breakthroughs achieved by the other side, such as the moratorium on geoengineering pushed through at the Nagoya Convention on Biological Diversity. The climate change true believers engage in skirmishes over side-issues: the “don’t nuke our climate” initiatives that focus only on the most blatant and superficial forms of disinformation: the idea that nuclear energy is “clean” and “carbon free”.

Rebecca Campbell’s paper on “Solar Radiation Management”, submitted to the Royal Society, is an excellent starting point for debate and a powerful exposure of the most obvious kind of deceit involved in the “dialogue” with the public that the Royal Society is now trying to initiate.

But the deceit goes much deeper and will not be able to be adequately analysed until other sectors of civil society: the climate change movement, the anti-nuclear movement, begin to show a capacity for much more radical self-criticism and self-understanding.

The anti-nuclear movement is in such dire straits at the moment that perhaps some progress can be expected with them, some opening of the mind towards the realities of “chemtrails”, for example.

Paper submitted to the British “Royal Society” on
“Solar Radiation Management”

“Solar Radiation Management”: A Sunblock on the Light of Truth

The mission of science should be to discover the truth of nature; the mission of philosophy is to discover the nature of truth. It is only when the nature of truth is respected that the truth of nature can be discovered. Respect for the nature of truth is called intellectual and moral honesty, and it is intellecual and moral honesty that would seem to be lacking in this call for papers on the feasibility and desirability of what is here being euphemistically termed “solar radiation management”. This is because what is being benignly portrayed here as being merely proposed has, for at least the past fifteen years, been clandestinely practiced, against the very ethics by which authentic, ethical
science is supposedly to be governed.

Among the ethical and legal principles of science which “solar radiation management” aka “geoengineering” aka “persistent airborne aerosol spraying” aka “chemtrails” violates are the Precautionary Principle, the Principle of Informed Consent, the Disclosure of Initiating Parties, the Nuremberg Principles Concerning Experimentation on Civilian Populations, the UN Declaration of Human Rights and the constitutional rights of the peoples of various nations over which such aerial “solar radiation management” is presently being practiced without either public approval or credible explanation.

If, as this request for papers implies, the purpose of “solar radiation management” is benignly to prevent global warming, why is it even now being done in secret, since many of the now environmentally conscious public would accept this explanation if it were publicly given? Why is its genesis, technology and those responsible for what we see as persistent airborne aerosol spraying in our skies throughout the world always kept unknown to us? Why is this institute, like so many academic, military and government institutions, and major environmental organizations engaging in the deception that they have no prior knowledge of that which can be so readily observed by all who simply choose to look up and without preconception behold the sky?

Empirical observation is the first step of the scientific method. It is the empirical observation of many throughout the earth that our skies are being filled by aircraft-delivered manmade clouds that wash out their color and blot out the sun. Further, it is the observation of many independent — as opposed to government, corporate and academic-affiliated — researchers that these lingering web-like manmade clouds are composed of toxic heavy metals, known pathogenic organisms and unknown nanoparticulate and cellular configurations, the latter capable of passing the human blood/brain barrier into the human brain and nervous system with heretofore unforeseen consequences.

It is also a fact that a certain transnational agricorporation has filed for a patent for heavy metal-resistent genetically modified seeds. This includes the very toxic heavy metals that have been determined by independent scientific researchers as being present in persistent toxic airborne aerosol spraying that your organization implies does not yet exist in a call for papers to comment on a present practice as if it were a future theoretical possibility.

It would seem that, even as sunblock deflects sunlight from the human body, and allegedly still-potential geoengineered persistent aerosol spraying deflects sunlight from the earth, such specious calls for academic papers as this one deflect the light of truth from authentic scientific and journalistic investigation. It purloins time better spent in identifying and holding accountable those who covertly conduct such dangerous
experiments as these on civilian populations and their environment; those clandestine practitioners who officially and fraudulently claim to have only abstractly considered “solar radiation management” which, as practiced, violates fundamental scientific ethics, human and natural rights, and universal law.

– Rebecca Em Campbell

Comment from Conqueror
Time December 13, 2010 at 8:28 pm

Isn’t it just marvellous that while Oprah was here in Melbourne we have no chemtrails at all and clear skies once again for a few day. Now that she has left they start right back up again. She is one of the elitist who has joined the club. They has that secret meeting with her included.
And yes.. ln the country on a drive where the country and mountains are, I see haze, nice to know the country can produce haze too. white haze!

Comment from Conqueror
Time December 13, 2010 at 9:02 pm

Great stuff Enouranois, we should all forward these words onto our politicians and media.
Keep it up.

Comment from LogansRun
Time December 14, 2010 at 7:30 am

Conqueror…not spraying when Oprah is in town. Sounds similar to when all the scum(politicans) are in Canberra the spraying comes to a complete halt for a few days, but as soon as they leave the spraying returns.
Yesterday there were a few trails up here in Mildura. I think there was only one jet doing the work load. The poor pilot, he must of been so stressed out at having to do the huge job on his own. My heart goes out to you, you sick demented sicko’. Having to flick the “on” / “off” switch a few more times than normal must have really pissed you off. How can these satanic muthas get up and go to work, have their morning cuppa of blood and goo, then hop into their “craft” and have a busy day at polluting our skies and the air we all breathe and then when their day is done they head home to the wife and kids and watch the news.
I think they can control the weather well and truly. All this rain we got is good for the river systems but how inconvienient for the wheat and grape growers. Agenda 21?
Cheers All.

Comment from Andy
Time December 20, 2010 at 12:09 am

Good to see Laurie’s taken a break from hawking his BS. He’s a shill to the utmost degree, but a shill who’s wasting his time on here because he or she has no chance of altering the conviction of we who have done our homework and are using our eyes. Hopefully he or she has gone off to troll some other sites and will leave us alone for a while. By the way, did all you Brisvegans and SE Queenslanders notice the extreme weather we’ve been having since the chemtrail hammering during the week of 23 to 28 November 2010? The weather has been so thick we can’t even watch their chemtrailing activities, but no doubt they’re still at it. Also, interesting to note the clarity of the blue sky during breaks in the weather when combined with breaks in the chemtrailing. Unfortunately the breaks in the chemtrailing are extremely brief. Happy skywatching everybody! Look up! Cheers from Andy.

Comment from Andy
Time December 20, 2010 at 12:45 am

Thanks to Damian for posting the link to Blue No More; I highly recommend it: http://www.bluenomore.com/
I’ve had a long association with Port Macquarie. I lived there as a kid during the 1970’s and have been back for numerous visits over the years, having family still living there. We certainly never used to see these chemtrails like shown on Blue No More. Chemtrails are obvious, but these photos over Port Macquarie seem to really stand out because the skies appear clearer to start with than what I’ve been accustomed to seeing during three years in Brisbane. The skies here seem to be murkier to start with so that unless you’re a keen observer it’s not always as blatant as seen in these photos at Blue No More. So the Blue No More site is all the more highly recommended to those still in the process of being convinced of the reality of chemtrails. Congrats to the producer of Blue No More! Cheers again from Andy!

Comment from Laurie is a shill
Time December 20, 2010 at 11:23 pm

Cool Andy,,,,,,,yep, the only reasonable thing to do is to concur, hmm i was actually starting to like the guy/gal,,, (he/she had that gift),,,but id say he has been demoted rather than moved on to another web site, poor bugger, hope his masters aren’t too hard on him.
Yep id say he thought he had us all covered, with that harmonic smooth flow of deceit,, if only he had taken truth into account, he may have stood a chance,,,, R.I.P Laurence.

Comment from Laurie is a shill
Time December 20, 2010 at 11:31 pm

Please check out this Chemtrail footage we put up on youtube over our city, and add/make a comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y28hPtrumKo