Archives 2009/02
Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth - mp911truth.org
http://mp911truth.org
press release
February 24, 2009 - An alliance of doctors, dentists, nurses, therapists, researchers, and other medical professionals today announced the formation of Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth and its petition calling for a new investigation into the events of 9/11.
From the website:
As medical professionals, we are dedicated to the service of humanity; to alleviating suffering, to improving health, and to preserving life. We are horrified by the terrorist acts of 9/11 and the senseless suffering and loss of life resulting from them.
The terrorist acts of 9/11 resulted in the immediate deaths of 3,000 emergency service workers and innocent citizens. The inhalation of toxic dust in the weeks following 9/11 will result in the premature deaths of additional thousands of rescue and construction workers and New York residents. The acts of 9/11 have been further used to justify the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, which have resulted in the deaths of thousands of military personnel and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
As medical professionals, we are trained in science and logical reasoning. We are appalled by the lack of scientific rigor and the substantial omissions and blatant distortions in the official account of 9/11 as embodied in the 9/11 Commission Report and related government documents.
PETITION:
We, the members of Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, believe that whereas:
- There is incontrovertible publicly available evidence since 9/11/01 that the official account of the events of that day is incomplete and fraught with errors;
- The 9/11 Commission Report inadequately answered, and in numerous cases even failed to address, many of the most important questions that were called to its attention;
- The blatant disregard of extensive compelling evidence that clearly refutes the official account raises rational suspicion of intentional deception by agents of the U.S. Government;
- U.S. Government policies have been, and continue to be, founded upon assumptions about the events of 9/11 that are likely to be erroneous;
- Life-threatening maladies caused by toxic environmental conditions at Ground Zero in New York City persist today and will continue to develop in the future; and
- The perpetrators of the heinous crimes against humanity that were committed on 9/11 have still not been brought to justice.
Therefore, we, the members of Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, call for a new and independent investigation into the events of 9/11/01 by a duly constituted legal body with the authority to subpoena and require testimony under oath, and with authority to prosecute if criminal activity is discovered, so that the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity can at last be brought to justice.
Time to change terrorism laws
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/time-to-change-terrorism-laws-20090223-8fr1.html
George Williams
February 24, 2009
One of the world's most respected legal bodies, the International Commission of Jurists, reported last week that the anti-terrorism laws passed after September 11 by Australia and other nations have undermined the rule of law and harmed the international fight for justice and human rights. This should come as no surprise.
After all, we live in a world in which measures that had been unthinkable, such as torture, detention without trial and illegal disappearances, have been used not only by despotic regimes, but by leading democracies such as the United States. The report concludes that the universal principles of human rights developed in the decades after World War II are "in jeopardy".
The three-year study of 40 nations found that the legal framework in place before September 11 was robust and adaptable and would have been effective without draconian new measures. Instead, governments took advantage of the public's fear of terrorism to pass laws that granted them and their agencies extraordinary powers. On the same day the report was released, the former head of the British spy agency MI5, Dame Stella Rimington, likewise accused her government of exploiting community alarm to restrict fundamental liberties.
The consequence of such actions is that nations, including Australia, "actively undermined" the rule of law and civil liberties in fighting the misnamed "war on terror". In our case, Australia did need laws to prevent terrorism. Unlike other nations, we had no such laws on the national statute book, and new legislation was justified to deal with the threat apparent after September 11.
However, Australia also fell victim to overreaction and political opportunism. In the name of protecting social cohesion and democratic principles, we did possibly irreparable damage to these same values. Along with the US and Britain, we undermined progress towards justice and human rights elsewhere. The report makes for sober reading in cataloguing not only how nations like the US came to compromise their once-high legal standards, but how this came to be used by totalitarian regimes to support their own repressive laws.
Much of the report applies with particular force to Australia. John Howard and his government have left the nation a dreadful legacy. From September 11 to the end of the Howard government, Parliament passed 44 anti-terrorism laws, an average of one every seven weeks. This volume of law-making has no parallel in any other democratic nation.
It is not merely the raw number of laws that causes concern. What really matters is the scope of the extraordinary, often insufficiently checked powers granted to government, and how this has been transferred at the expense of Parliament, the courts and the community.
Australia's anti-terrorism regime runs to hundreds of pages. It extends to sedition offences that imprison people for their words rather than their actions, control orders that permit house arrest without trial, laws that allow the secret surveillance of innocent people and ASIO being able to have non-suspects detained for up to a week to gather intelligence. These powers can often be exercised in secret, and even where mistakes are made or the power is misused, this cannot always be reported in the media.
Australia has a new government, but these laws remain. Some reforms are expected soon. The Attorney-General, Robert McClelland, promised some positive changes before Christmas, including removing sedition from the statute book. The announcement of these reforms came with the release of the report of former judge John Clarke into the case of Dr Mohamed Haneef.
While that report exposed in graphic detail the mishandling of the case and the flaws and deficiencies in the law, Clarke made a disappointing set of recommendations. Faced with legislation that could allow the unlimited detention of a person not even charged with a crime, Clarke passed the buck in finding that this should be reviewed again by someone else. His report will not be the trigger for greater change.
The debate has stalled. While no new laws have been made, those already on the books remain in force. Unless they are reviewed and amended as a whole, the exceptional laws of recent years will come to be accepted as normal, and lower standards for justice and human rights will be accepted in Australia and by other nations in our region. Inaction will permit what should have been a short-term, exceptional response to unprecedented events to become a permanent feature of our system of government.
George Williams is the Anthony Mason Professor of law at the University of NSW.
More yellow journalism from Hearst publication Marie Claire
I think this is 100% disinfo/propaganda, probably drafted by someone in military intelligence.
I also think it was probably drafted by a man and handed to "Autumn" for publishing. What do you think?
Love Lessons: Desperately Seeking Approval
http://www.marieclaire.com/...-seeking-approval
By Autumn Whitefield-Madrano
When my boyfriend suddenly decided that the U.S. government had planned 9/11 to justify a war in the Mideast, I was alarmed, but not enough to ditch him outright. After all, I told myself, his penchant for questioning everything in his path was one of the things I loved about him. Surely he'd regain his senses soon.
So I refrained from rolling my eyeballs when he'd say things like, "I'm not sure the Pentagon was even hit by a plane — those photos could've been doctored!" And I kept my mouth shut when he'd futz around on the Internet all night, studying Bush's family ties to the Saudis and the melting temperature of steel. I even started attending weekly "truth meetings" in a dusty church basement, pretending to be very interested as he'd mutter, "Yes! Exactly!" to people's rambling diatribes.
Yes, I know it was nuts.
But it wasn't the first time I'd feigned interest in a subject in order to please a guy. Ever since high school — when I studied up on third-level Urdunnir dwarfs so I could converse with my Dungeons & Dragons — obsessed boyfriend — I've adopted a variety of interests that were not my own. I've taken Krav Maga classes; I've thrown batches of toast at the screen during repeated viewings of The Rocky Horror Picture Show. I've gone to Death Cab for Cutie concerts; I've hosted marathons of movies made by obscure Danish directors. I once seriously considered spending a week in the desert, unshowered, for Burning Man, with the arty, pot-smoking dude I was dating at the time.
I know it sounds a little pathetic, but I guess I just wanted whatever guy I was dating to like me. If he piqued my interest, I wanted to pique his. I wanted to be the woman who got all his pop-culture references ("I've never met a woman who's into prog rock," one carefully researched conquest enthused when I mentioned the band Genesis); I wanted to be a gal his friends thought was "awesome" — someone who inhabited his private world as comfortably as they did.
And yet, it was never a two-way street. Guys have been curious about my passions, sure, but they've never browsed my Gloria Steinem collection or bought pastry-making kits. Maybe it's because women, ever the multitaskers, are always trying a little bit harder to make things happen, to make things work. To accommodate. Men, not so much. I once attempted to bake a cake with the 9/11 guy. After it was in the oven and I started to whip up some frosting, he balked and said it was getting late. Then he stayed up until dawn watching conspiracy-theory videos.
That's when I decided enough was enough. Listening to Death Cab for Cutie was one thing; pretending that 9/11 was an inside job was another. Finally, I told my boyfriend I thought his theories were insane. After he accused me of betraying him and "the people," we broke up. Now I just need to get rid of that prog-rock collection.
Autumn Whitefield-Madrano has worked for Self, Ms., and Playboy.
See also Autumn's previous cutting edge piece:
My boyfriend dyed his penis green for me
9/11 Truth and the “Big Tent” Approach
A short essay by John Bursill
http://www.911blogger.com/node/19400
If you haven't heard of the "Big Tent" approach before then I will give you a quick explanation of why it is an ongoing problem for the 9/11 Truth Movement. The "Big Tent" approach is all inclusive approach, that believes all people professing to be "truth seekers" should be welcomed and supported by us and we should allow them a platform to push their ideas and theories regardless of their merits. By merits I mean; are those ideas and theories supported by evidence based rational arguments that are peer reviewed and accepted as credible? The great majority of the 9/11 Truth Community reject ideas or theories that are without merit as they believe this will marginalise, dilute, confuse and isolate us as a movement. They "the Big Tenter's" feel that we "the people" can figure out what is garbage and what is not and they should be able to present their ideas and theories on an equal footing to us in the name of free speech, regardless of their quality. On the other hand do I "hope" that these people publish our proven arguments, yes and am I thankful for this service, absolutely!
In recent times a few new groups have formed that support the "Big Tent" populist approach, such as "Truth Movement Australia" for one and I would ask all of you to be careful not to get to caught up with any group that might be getting off track with ideas that lack merit! Direct involvement and advertisement of these groups will only slow our progress to achieve their and our proclaimed aim: "the truth"! We must continue to be disciplined with our approach to "the truth" and maintain our push for a re-investigation of 9/11, which is simply the best chance for real change and peace in this world today. I know it seems like an impossible task sometimes but the formation of these "Big Tent" groups may be an indicator that we are closer than we think, as general interest and awareness that there is a "truth" problem increases? I fully accept these groups' right to exist, but I feel it is my duty to point out their flaws, and I know that many in these groups understand my point of view on this matter. They simply hold another view, primarily being that we need numbers and popular subjects and issues to get interest and that is simply more important than perfect credibility, as they feel exposure to the greatest number is the "key".
We as "9/11 Truth Advocates" are part of their "Big Tent" because our "9/11 Truth" issue interests them, that's great but it does not follow that we need to be involved with issues or causes that hurt our aim by discrediting us. As with all successful social movements we must keep our campaign sharp and it must have a clear direction and focus.
Truth is not ENTERTAINMENT, for entertainment and titillation are the enemies of truth, as they distract the mind and blur it's focus. I love to be entertained and distracted from time to time especially in this war torn world, that is normal and healthy. But just as I do not "drink and drive" I will not allow myself to be intoxicated with wild ideas or theories while pursuing "the truth" that we know is proven and concise.
While socializing with like minded truth seeking people is important, we must be on the look out for those marginalising influences, associations and half baked attempts to populise "free thinking" for entertainment or for profit purposes. We are currently at war for our reality, more confused thoughts and ideas will not bring answers, only more questions. Clarity is the key to our ongoing success! Just because some one is a great speaker and is correct 99% of the time, that does not mean that the 1% rubbish that is spoken will not become 100% of the news story when they are talked about on TV that evening! We do not need 99% right people as we have 100's of 100% right people who only profess what they know to be true, we must support these people!
There are some groups like WeAreChange for example that aim to broaden the 9/11 Truth Movement in a logical and relevant way. I fully support WAC's formation in Australia and I hope the founder and spokesman Luke Rudkowski's attendance at the November Sydney Event(The Hard Evidence - 9/11 was an Inside Job) put on by 9/11 Truther's will boost the goals and numbers of that group. WAC has always supported evidence based arguments and has stayed away from unneeded speculation. Their main goal is the pursuit of truth and justice for victims of the 9/11 Attacks while exposing the fraud of the "War on Terror", it's consequences and the Globalist NWO agenda. This is a highly practical and logical approach indeed.
Any chink in our 9/11 Truth armour will be exposed and as in any battle these holes must be kept to the absolute minimum or possibly fatal wounds will be incurred!
The millions dead and dying due to the "War on Terror" born from the 9/11 attacks should remain strong in peoples' thoughts! While I know some are compelled to carry on researching the "Illuminati" or speculating about "Alien Invader's" I would suggest that "that" may be best left to more peaceful times in the future, that will come with the exposure of the 9/11 lies!
Recently I have been asking myself and others what is the best approach to take with these "Big Tent" populist groups? After much thought and talk I believe maintaining communications and doing our best to make argument directly or indirectly with them is simply the best way. We all "9/11 Truth Advocates" realize that "9/11 Truth is the key" to unlocking the door to the real "reality" and we must use any opportunity to convince others this is the case whilst staying keenly focussed on our aim of 9/11 Truth and Justice.
Scientists, Politicians, Peace Activists and the average Jill or Joe will not have their reality challenged by a broad, unbalanced and lost movement of "free thinkers", that will simply supply an excuse to go back to sleep!
Statement Against Racism - stj911.org
From Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice:
Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice utterly rejects racial discrimination, as defined and condemned in the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination.
United Nations International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination
Our organization does not engage in denunciation of any group based on that group's race, colour, descent, national or ethnic origin, or religion. We do not engage in denunciations of the Jewish people or deny the Nazi genocide, and we do not support the current Western attack on Muslim societies promoted as a "war on terror." We accept Dr. Martin Luther King's vision of a society where people are judged by the content of their character rather than by such superficial qualities as the colour of their skin. While strongly asserting our right to criticize any individual, state, idea, ideology, practice or policy, our organization does not tolerate racial discrimination in its membership and does not promote racist theories, but dedicates itself to the discovery of truth through unbiased scholarly research.
Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice (Scholars) is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Scholars emphasizes a scholarly and civil approach to inquiry.
Film Night: - Money As Debt - 7 March 2009
WeAreChange Sydney Presents...
~ MONEY AS DEBT ~
www.moneyasdebt.net
Paul Grignon’s engaging animation answers the
question that is never asked in school or the media:
“Where does money come from?”
Saturday, 7 March 2009
8:00 PM
Free admission, donation optional
Annandale Neighbourhood Centre
79 Johnston St Annandale, Sydney 2038

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Fox News hack’s venomous diatribe against Daniel Sunjata
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,487906,00.html
Wednesday, February 04, 2009
By Greg Gutfeld
'Rescue Me' From 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
An upcoming episode of the drama "Rescue Me" is about 9/11 being an inside job. The actor who spews the theories on camera, Daniel Sunjata, actually believes in it too. "They're not discussed a lot in the press," Sunjata says of the theories, in between eating his own hair.
But, that's not what chaps my chaps.
I just hate how the media treats those who spout such theories as risk-takers — when they're really just cowards.
Peter Tolan, the show's producer, defends Sunjata as "well read" and thinks it's great that "he's passionate about it." I guess if you feel strongly about something, then it's OK if you're wrong. See Mark David Chapman.
Look, the fact is, actors who barf this crap are doing it for their own egos. It makes them feel smart, because for once they're spouting something provocative instead of puerile. Never mind that it's an insidious insult to the victims of 9/11 — as it is to the rest of us, who may or may not be guilty, according to Sunjata's theory.
And what's that theory, exactly? Well, Sunjata's character accuses a neo-con government of the pre-emptive attack — something the actor really believes. So basically he's accusing a large group of Americans of killing a larger group of Americans. It's like saying Jews were behind the Holocaust — which Sunjata would probably believe too, if it were the 1940s.
He'd make an awesome Nazi.
And if you disagree with it, then you sir are worse than Hitler.
Bob Dylan - Let Me Die In My Footsteps
Let Me Die In My Footsteps (1963) set to images from D.A. Pennebaker's Daybreak Express.
The War on Terror is a Hoax
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21906.htm
By Paul Craig Roberts
February 04, 2009
Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939, in Atlanta, Georgia) is an economist and a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as the "Father of Reaganomics". He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service. He is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and he holds a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the University of California, Berkeley, and Oxford University where he was a member of Merton College.
- source: wikipedia
According to US government propaganda, terrorist cells are spread throughout America, making it necessary for the government to spy on all Americans and violate most other constitutional protections. Among President Bush’s last words as he left office was the warning that America would soon be struck again by Muslim terrorists.
If America were infected with terrorists, we would not need the government to tell us. We would know it from events. As there are no events, the US government substitutes warnings in order to keep alive the fear that causes the public to accept pointless wars, the infringement of civil liberty, national ID cards, and inconveniences and harassments when they fly.
The most obvious indication that there are no terrorist cells is that not a single neocon has been assassinated.
I do not approve of assassinations, and am ashamed of my country’s government for engaging in political assassination. The US and Israel have set a very bad example for al Qaeda to follow.
The US deals with al Qaeda and Taliban by assassinating their leaders, and Israel deals with Hamas by assassinating its leaders. It is reasonable to assume that al Qaeda would deal with the instigators and leaders of America’s wars in the Middle East in the same way.
Today every al Qaeda member is aware of the complicity of neoconservatives in the death and devastation inflicted on Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza. Moreover, neocons are highly visible and are soft targets compared to Hamas and Hezbollah leaders. Neocons have been identified in the media for years, and as everyone knows, multiple listings of their names are available online.
Neocons do not have Secret Service protection. Dreadful to contemplate, but it would be child’s play for al Qaeda to assassinate any and every neocon. Yet, neocons move around freely, a good indication that the US does not have a terrorist problem.
If, as neocons constantly allege, terrorists can smuggle nuclear weapons or dirty bombs into the US with which to wreak havoc upon our cities, terrorists can acquire weapons with which to assassinate any neocon or former government official.
Yet, the neocons, who are the Americans most hated by Muslims, remain unscathed.
The “war on terror” is a hoax that fronts for American control of oil pipelines, the profits of the military-security complex, the assault on civil liberty by fomenters of a police state, and Israel’s territorial expansion.
There were no al Qaeda in Iraq until the Americans brought them there by invading and overthrowing Saddam Hussein, who kept al Qaeda out of Iraq. The Taliban is not a terrorist organization, but a movement attempting to unify Afghanistan under Muslim law. The only Americans threatened by the Taliban are the Americans Bush sent to Afghanistan to kill Taliban and to impose a puppet state on the Afghan people.
Hamas is the democratically elected government of Palestine, or what little remains of Palestine after Israel’s illegal annexations. Hamas is a terrorist organization in the same sense that the Israeli government and the US government are terrorist organizations. In an effort to bring Hamas under Israeli hegemony, Israel employs terror bombing and assassinations against Palestinians. Hamas replies to the Israeli terror with homemade and ineffectual rockets.
Hezbollah represents the Shi’ites of southern Lebanon, another area in the Middle East that Israel seeks for its territorial expansion.
The US brands Hamas and Hezbollah “terrorist organizations” for no other reason than the US is on Israel’s side of the conflict. There is no objective basis for the US Department of State’s “finding” that Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations. It is merely a propagandistic declaration.
Americans and Israelis do not call their bombings of civilians terror. What Americans and Israelis call terror is the response of oppressed people who are stateless because their countries are ruled by puppets loyal to the oppressors. These people, dispossessed of their own countries, have no State Departments, Defense Departments, seats in the United Nations, or voices in the mainstream media. They can submit to foreign hegemony or resist by the limited means available to them.
The fact that Israel and the United States carry on endless propaganda to prevent this fundamental truth from being realized indicates that it is Israel and the US that are in the wrong and the Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis, and Afghans who are being wronged.
The retired American generals who serve as war propagandists for Fox “News” are forever claiming that Iran arms the Iraqi and Afghan insurgents and Hamas. But where are the arms? To deal with American tanks, insurgents have to construct homemade explosive devices out of artillery shells. After six years of conflict the insurgents still have no weapon against the American helicopter gunships. Contrast this “arming” with the weaponry the US supplied to the Afghans three decades ago when they were fighting to drive out the Soviets.
The films of Israel’s murderous assault on Gaza show large numbers of Gazans fleeing from Israeli bombs or digging out the dead and maimed, and none of these people are armed. A person would think that by now every Palestinian would be armed, every man, woman, and child. Yet, all the films of the Israeli attack show an unarmed population. Hamas has to construct homemade rockets that are little more than a sign of defiance. If Hamas were armed by Iran, Israel’s assault on Gaza would have cost Israel its helicopter gunships, its tanks, and hundreds of lives of its soldiers.
Hamas is a small organization armed with small caliber rifles incapable of penetrating body armor. Hamas is unable to stop small bands of Israeli settlers from descending on West Bank Palestinian villages, driving out the Palestinians, and appropriating their land.
The great mystery is: why after 60 years of oppression are the Palestinians still an unarmed people? Clearly, the Muslim countries are complicit with Israel and the US in keeping the Palestinians unarmed.
The unsupported assertion that Iran supplies sophisticated arms to the Palestinians is like the unsupported assertion that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. These assertions are propagandistic justifications for killing Arab civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure in order to secure US and Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.
Dave vonKleist Vs Glenn Beck
I have not been a big fan of Dave vonKleist's work, but this piece is quite well made, and makes some very good points about mainstream media propaganda.




Recent Comments
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/dane-wigington-on-infowars-4-4-13/#comment-33658
By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 09:31:03
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 09:28:20
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.
http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Geoengineering.pdf
By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 09:19:23
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.
Leonard Clampett,
the video you linked is a really old conglomerate of all sorts of claims that have been debunked ad nauseam.
What do you think is the ultimate proof for the existence of chemtrails?
Why should we have to assume there is such a thing like chemtrails? How are they different from contrails?
By Josh on 2013 04 10 - 06:59:34
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.
http://realnewsworldwide.com/2008/09/10/chemtrails-ultimate-proof/
By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 09 - 16:31:36
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.
If you open the link you will see the reference to chemtrail area forecasts. The other link I wish to post is refused by the “Truth news” which claims it may be SPAM and “will be moderated”, probably because it mentions chemtrails in the link. However, I will try again by separating the words. http://www.chemtrail forecast.com/main.html
By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 13 - 09:02:16
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.
Leonard Clampett,
about the link you posted - where is the relevance in the discussion about persistent contrails?
By Josh on 2013 03 13 - 08:50:08
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.
http://www.haarpstatus.com/status.html
By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 13 - 08:44:15
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.
Leonard Clampett,
after you consistently refused to accept the fact that fuel combustion generates more water than the equivalent of fuel burnt - even when a Qantas pilot confirmed this - I am highly skeptical of your “aviation life experience”. I hope you understand that.
So there are more explanations needed before your claims can be taken seriously.
1. How did you determine that the ambient conditions at the upper troposphere were not conducive to the formation of contrails this summer?
2. How did you determine the causal connection between trails and lack of rain?
3. How did you determine the altitude of the low trail that you saw? How can you be sure it was below the cumulus? Why not above (remember: 3D viewing up to 160m max)? Any pictures maybe?
If you want to do REAL research on the Internet, I strongly suggest to repeat every search query that you issue with the word “debunked” appended. That is the way to do proper research because you see both sides and their arguments. Don’t just fall for sensational claims.
Unfortunately, the Internet is loaded with bunk.
By Josh on 2013 03 02 - 18:06:10
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.
Josh Anonymous,
You apparently do not do much research. Notice how, over the Eastern Australian summer, there have been many chemtrails coincident with usual weather patterns where obvious rain should have been the outcome had the chemtrails not been laid, and it was not, and this during the season when ambient conditions are not conducive to the formation of contrails. Chemtrails are entirely different to what you term “persistent contrails” as you would know if you had sufficient aviation life experience. You may try to explain how there was recently, and I have observed the same many times before, a chemtrail below a layer of fair weather Cu at 8,000 ft and how this could possibly occur without the laws of physics and thermodynamics being turned on their head. I suggest that you do an Internet search for the activities of Bill Gates and geoengineering.
By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 02 - 13:51:00
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.