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Chemtrails: a closer look

April 29, 2010, part 1 of 1.
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30 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 22

chemtrails

In tonight's show we start with some breaking news in relation to climate change and internet censorship, with the announcement that the government has back-flipped in both of these policy areas. We interpret this as a victory for the grass roots truth and justice movements!

In part 2 we return to a perplexing subject which has generated a great deal of discussion at truthnews.com.au.

What are those white trails in the sky? Is it a government conspiracy? Are they poisoning us? Is it geo-engineering? Is it weather modification? Or is it just harmless water vapour?

John Bursill, aircraft engineer, returns to TNRA to grapple with these questions.

For those who are chemtrail "believers" this show may be a disappointment. Our research has not come up with any tangible evidence that this is anything other than a natural phenomenon caused by factors such as air temperature and humidity. We also note that those who promote the chemtrail theory have been unable to get any experts on side with their ideas, and they also fail to produce evidence (other than photos of contrails) to support their claims. We note that measuring the amount of barium in a water supply tells is nothing about where that barium came from, and the use of such measurements as evidence is scientifically worthless.

If you disagree with our findings please present your evidence in a rational, scientific manner and we will give it our attention!

Thanks for listening (:

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Censorship, sadism and doublethink

April 25, 2010, part 1 of 1.
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27 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 1

Categories: [ Censorship, Fireside chat ]









A scene from Pasolini's Salo

A scene from Pasolini's Salo



A scene from Pasolini's Salo

A photo from Abu Ghraib



TNRA announces a new series, the fireside chats, for the winter season.

Our chats, conducted in studio in a relaxed atmosphere, are designed to encourage reflection and thinking outside the box.

Tonight I welcome friend and raconteur Lawrence Mcdonnell to a discussion on the true role of censorship within our society, with special attention to the recently re-classified Pasolini film "Salo", and the literary works of the Marquis De Sade.

There is a bitter irony in that, on the one hand we are bombarded with images of terror and abuse via the sanctioned mass media, while at the same time the government reserves the right to block our access to images of terror and abuse.  What then is the real purpose of censorship? What is the new morality?

Find out in tonight's fireside chat.

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Schapelle Corby: drug courier or political prisoner?

April 22, 2010, part 1 of 1.
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24 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 17

Schapelle Corby Schapelle Corby is currently serving a 20-year sentence for the importation of 4.2 kg of cannabis into Bali, Indonesia. Her conviction was based entirely on the prima facie evidence of marijuana in her luggage, and despite numerous requests by her defence team, no forensic evidence was ever produced linking Schapelle to the marijuana found in her backpack. Neither has Schapelle ever been linked to a drug distribution network. The judge who convicted her never returned a "not-guilty" verdict in 500 cases.

At the time of her arrest there was a great deal of diplomatic tension between Australia and Indonesia. The Australian government was pressuring Indonesia to arrest Abu Bakar Bashir, who was believed at the time to be behind the 2002 Bali bombing. Indonesia was not compliant, and many Indonesians felt that Australia was interfering in their affairs once again as they had during the East Timor crisis a few years earlier. After Schapelle's arrest the diplomatic row escalated and there were fears that brooding resentment on both sides could lead to violence.

Something had to be done.

Schapelle said from the beginning the drugs were not hers, and for six months the Australian people and even high level government representatives were right behind her, but then a funny thing happened. Suddenly the major news networks began running stories filled with innuendo and journalistic spin, hinting that Schapelle might be guilty after all. The first of these damaging stories was released one week before her final court hearing in Bali, and carried the unsubstantiated rumour that Australian hydroponic dope was commonly sold in Bali under the name "Aussie Gold". In between her conviction and final appeal scurrilous rumours about Schapelle and her family were circulated in every newspaper and TV channel in the country, including the tax-payer funded ABC. None of these rumours has ever been proven, and indeed the High Court found that Channel Seven had defamed the character of Schapelles' sister Mercedes.

Since her final appeal was rejected Schapelle's mental state has deteriorated. She is now in a state where she needs constant medical care. Her government and the Australian people have turned their backs.

What will you do?

Tonight we welcome Schapelle Corby's uncle Shun Hatton back to the show for the latest news on the case. If you would like to help Schapelle please visit www.freeschapelle.com.au.

NOTE: At the beginning of the show we announced an interview with futurist Jacques Fresco which did not take place. TNRA apologises for any inconvenience caused.

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Steel framed house survives the ravages of an extreme bushfire without any deformation

18 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 0

Categories: [ 9/11 Truth Movement ]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/singed-but-safe...html

NICKY PHILLIPS | April 17, 2010

Steel framed house on fire

IT TOOK less than a minute for this new house to be engulfed by flames. Luckily no one was too upset to see it burn.

The house, built almost entirely of steel, was being tested to see if it could survive a bushfire and, although it is now a little singed, it passed.

Not only was it still standing, if it had been occupied there was a good chance the people inside would have survived, the CSIRO scientist and test leader Justin Leonard said.

The test house, designed and built by the National Association of Steel Framed Houses with the CSIRO, had most features of a domestic house.

Mr Leonard and his team, aided by the Rural Fire Service at Mogo on the south coast, mimicked the conditions of a bushfire in the test. First the house was subject to radiant heat from gas burners placed metres away for more than half an hour, imitating a bushfire's approach.

Gradually the intensity of the gas burners grew until the house was engulfed in flames three metres high for nearly two minutes.

According to Mr Leonard, the test house underwent an "extreme" bushfire scenario. "The duration of the flame immersion was longer than a bushfire could possibly dish up," he said.

At its peak, the temperature of the fire would have been more than 1000 degrees.

The full effect of the fire on the house still needs to be assessed, but the researchers believe the design could be an affordable option for construction in bushfire-prone areas.

During the "Black Saturday" bushfires in Victoria in February last year more than 2000 homes were destroyed by fire.

Unlike most houses, the test house minimised to use of elements that could be combustible. Its frame, walls, floor and roof cavities were all made of steel. The thermal insulation and the plaster walls and ceiling acted as another fire-proof barrier.

"All the layers work together as a system to protect the occupants," Mr Leonard said.

While people are not encouraged to stay in their house during a bushfire, Mr Leonard said if people did not get sufficient warning it could become unsafe for them to leave their property.

"We're testing the house's ability to create a safe place of refuge during the time you'd be forced inside the house if you were unlucky enough to be there."

Mr Leonard said the flame test would help the researchers explain to builders how they should construct houses to make them "inherently robust" for bushfires.

The virtue of selfishness

April 15, 2010, part 1 of 1.
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16 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 4

the virtue of selfishness

In tonight's show we try to encourage you to be more selfish.

Why? Because it's through selfishness that great things can be accomplished, such as the overthrow of tyranny, the vanquishing of superstition and cultish beliefs, and the improvement of the quality of life of the average person.

The libertarian philosophy starts with the premise that people are inherently good, and it follows that their selfish actions will in turn work for the betterment of humanity. This is in stark contrast to the cult of environmentalism, which is bent on suppressing our innate instincts in order to "save the planet".

Selfishness, we suggest, is the key to innovation, creativity, and prosperity. It is by following our selfish desires that we will be motivated to stand up against the war mongers and the oligarchs who want to keep us all enslaved.

Also in tonight's show we welcome engineer John Bursill, who brings us the latest news from the 9/11 truth movement.

As usual we cover a variety of breaking news stories. Please enjoy!

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Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s ‘Radio National’ does Hit Piece on 9/11 Truth Advocates

16 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 0

Categories: [ 9/11 Truth Movement ]

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20100414044822427

April 13, 2010
By John Bursill, Engineer, 9/11 Truth Advocate and Researcher
911Truth.org

On April 12th, 2010 ABC Radio National's "Counterpoint" host Michael Duffy decided to weigh in on the truth of the 9/11 events. In this clearly biased and ludicrous attack on those who would question the still unexplained events of September 11, 2001, Duffy demonstrated he has done little research into the matter. Seemingly, he has decided research is neither warranted nor required to make wild assumptions about and apply derogatory labels to 9/11 researchers and their questions.

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Michael Duffy In this short and emotive hit piece Duffy uses an excerpt from a recent lecture given by Clive Williams, Adjunct Professor at the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre at the Australian National University (ANU), to provide the spin. Professor Williams lays out an overview of the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories as part of his lecture called "Terrorism Conspiracy Theories and the 1978 Sydney Hilton bombings, Lockerbie, 9/11 and the London 7/7 bombings". This lecture will be played in full on Radio National's "Big Ideas" on Sunday 18th April at 5pm and is available in podcast at the ABC. In this excerpt Williams skims over the evidence of an alternate "conspiracy", citing the predictable "straw man" arguments and loose journalistic attempts to look at the evidence, using the Discovery Channel's laughable documentary, "9/11: Science and Conspiracy" as a reference. Ironically, Williams uses these absurdities ignorantly in his attempt to debunk the experts who are actually qualified to comment on such matters, and -- surprise, surprise -- he also conveniently forgets to mention them. In a desperate attempt to make sense of his "reality", Williams rolls out the blind academics' favourite proof that 9/11 was just as we were told -- yes, it's the argument that the government is, without doubt, just too damn incompetent to pull off such a complicated plan! Unfortunately, this so-called educator misses the irony in the stark "official reality" that 19 poorly trained and ill-equipped Arab hijackers did pull it off!

Duffy introduces this crude attempt at journalism as follows:

"Just who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington? Was it Osama Bin Laden or are there other contenders? Perhaps it was rogue government agents operating with the tacit support of an equally shadowy group of industrialists. Or maybe it was revenge-seeking aliens who escaped from area 51."

For readers who wish to listen to Duffy's Counterpoint piece, "Terrorism and Conspiracy Theories", it can be found here: www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2010/2870592.htm

The fact that no criminal investigation of this mass murder has ever been carried out and those murdered included ten Australians is apparently of no consequence to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, as they continue to fail to report on the real 9/11 investigative news. I and many thousands of other Australians continue to wonder why we have not heard from our taxpayer-funded news service about the discovery of nanothermite in the dust by a team of international scientists, or about the demands of more than one thousand Architecture and Engineering Professionals for a new investigation into the building collapses. It is now clearly proven for those who care to look that without added energy from explosives, the three building collapses on 9/11 defy both logic and Newton's Laws of Motion. To the great shame of "our" ABC, its viewers and listeners are without a clue of this fact based on what their so-called journalists have produced to date.

A case can now be clearly made that the ABC is failing in its fiduciary duty to the Australian public and is actively supporting the cover-up of the events of 9/11. This is amply demonstrated with this simple listing of some of the important events they have failed to report on in Australia:

  • The attendance of Councillor Yukihisa Fujita, Director of the Japanese Parliamentary Committee for Foreign Affairs and Defence, to a conference in March 2008 in Sydney where he spoke questioning the 9/11 events and their use as a pretext to war
  • Lectures made by Senior Architecture Lecturer Dr David Leifer at Sydney University, demonstrating the official version of the Towers' Collapse provably false in 2008 and in 2009
  • The discovery of an explosive incendiary nanothermite in the dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe in 2009, by a team of international scientists including Australian Doctor of Chemistry, Frank Legge (see www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM)
  • The recent milestone of "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" reaching 1,000 professional members including 40 Structural Engineers, one being an Australian Building Inspector, Paul Mason (see www.AE911Truth.org)

It is probably most disturbing for us who care, however, that the ABC has never reported to the Australian public that the 9/11 victims' families are demanding a new investigation and have broad support by the majority of the world's population in questioning the official 9/11 "conspiracy theory". Please, Mr Duffy and Mr Williams -- please think again and consider that maybe it is you that are in need of a "reality check"?

Now, if one wished to make an excuse for the ABC, that perhaps they have not been made aware of these "realities", I will list what I personally know they have received from the Australian public to date:

  1. Thousands of e-mails have been sent including links to documents and information about the truth of 9/11
  2. Hundreds of complaints have been made to our ABC about a lack of coverage of evidence showing the official 9/11 story is false; many of those have gone all the way to the Board
  3. Many press releases have been sent to them about events questioning 9/11 within Australia and the rest of the world, like the recent "Hard Evidence Tour" (see www.thehardevidence.com)
  4. Many invitations have been given to meet and discuss evidence with academics and researchers questioning 9/11
  5. On no fewer than four separate occasions protests have been held at the ABC's Head Office and studios in Sydney where documents and DVDs have been hand-delivered to staff and journalists over many hours. At one recent protest American Architect Richard Gage, AIA, founder of www.AE911Truth.org, made himself available for interview in person, but alas, the ABC could not even send a junior reporter to investigate.

Unfortunately for us, the harsh reality of the ABC's failure to report the news about 9/11 explosive evidence is that the victims' families continue to suffer without closure and without justice, while wars in their name continue without any clear justification other than the official myth of 9/11.

Mr. Duffy and Mr. Williams, I will remind you, Sirs, that without truth there can be no justice and without justice there will never be peace on this Earth. Shame on you and the ABC. You are a disgrace to this great nation and to the field of journalism!

--END--

Complaints may be made to the ABC here: www.abc.net.au/contact/complain.htm

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Vaccines: prophylaxis or anaphylaxis?

April 8, 2010, part 1 of 1.
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09 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 1

Vaccines: prophylaxis or anaphylaxis?
(n) anaphylaxis (hypersensitivity reaction to the ingestion or injection of a substance (a protein or drug) resulting from prior contact with a substance)
(n) prophylaxis (the prevention of disease)

If you're wondering about the definitions above, all is explained in tonight's show, which features an extended interview with Bronwyn Hancock, director of the Vaccination Information Service. Bronwyn has worked closely with Dr. Viera Scheibner, a leading researcher in the anti-vaccination field who has been writing and giving lectures on the subject matter of vaccines and vaccinations since her retirement from the Department of Mineral Resources, New South Wales, Australia in 1987.

From the Vaccination Information Service website:
Vaccination Information Service will inform you primarily about the key fundamentals, indeed critical flaws, of vaccination (or "immunisation") that apply to every type of vaccine.

In summary... “Immunizations” do not immunize! They do the exact opposite

The term “immunization” (US, Canada) or "immunisation" (UK, Australia, NZ), often substituted for the term "vaccination", is false and should not be used in place of  "vaccination", because it is well documented in medical research that vaccination, the direct injection of foreign proteins and other toxic material (particularly known immune-sensitising poisons such as mercury and aluminium compounds, formaldehyde and phenol) sensitises, meaning makes the recipient more, not less, susceptible, i.e. more easily affected, by what he/she encounters in the future.

Please be aware that this is a highly politically charged topic, and you are likely to find biased and defamatory statements about anti-vaccine campaigners in prominent journals and websites. The wikipedia entry for Viera Scheibner is a prime example.

I hope you enjoy the discussion.

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COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum

06 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 0

Categories: [ 9/11 Truth Movement ]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2165967/posts

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a ‘uncontrolled forum.’

Technique #1 - ‘FORUM SLIDING’

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by ‘forum sliding.’ In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to ‘age.’ Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a ‘forum slide.’ The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a ‘forum slide’ and ‘flush’ the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then ‘replying’ to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting ‘slides’ down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - ‘CONSENSUS CRACKING’

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at *********) is ‘consensus cracking.’ To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger ‘evidence’ or disinformation in your favour is slowly ‘seeded in.’ Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely be dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then ‘abort’ the consensus cracking by initiating a ‘forum slide.’

Technique #3 - ‘TOPIC DILUTION’

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’ In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’ By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - ‘INFORMATION COLLECTION’

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment an ‘I show you mine so show me yours’ posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your ‘favorite weapon’ and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favorite ‘technique of operation.’ From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - ‘ANGER TROLLING’

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing their powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to ‘stage’ a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to ‘lead’ the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you ‘do not care what the authorities think!!’ inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - ‘GAINING FULL CONTROL’

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavorable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the ‘ultimate victory’ as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a ‘honey pot’ gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precedence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share them with HQ.

Free speech activists hit the streets of Sydney’s CBD

04 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 0

Categories: [ 9/11 Truth Movement ]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B95a8UHHugk

On 1st April 2010 a coalition of free speech activists took to the streets of Sydney's CBD to protest the impending "Mandatory" ISP Filter which has been likened to repressive censorship regimes in China, Iran and North Korea.

Truth News Radio Australia was there to track the progess and report on the gagged protesters as they wound their way through Sydney's busy streets during rush hour.

The protest was also reported by itnews.com.au:
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/171145,photos-sydney-protesters-gag-on-internet-filter-plan.aspx

Find out more about the ISP filter and other important issues that affect your life at:
http://www.truthnews.com.au

Find out what you can do to help at:
http://openinternet.com.au
http://gagthefilter.com

TNRA Exclusive: Free speech activists hit the streets of Sydney’s CBD!

03 April 2010 | Permalink | comments: 1

Categories: [ Censorship, ISP Filter, Law ]

On 1st April 2010 a coalition of free speech activists took to the streets of Sydney's CBD to protest the impending "Mandatory" ISP Filter which has been likened to repressive censorship regimes in China, Iran and North Korea.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B95a8UHHugk

Truth News Radio Australia was there to track the progess and report on the gagged protesters as they wound their way through Sydney's busy streets during rush hour.

The protest was also reported by itnews.com.au.

Find out what you can do to help at:
http://openinternet.com.au
http://gagthefilter.com
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First off i applaud you for seeking facts rather that resorting to slander as i have all too commonly seen among alternate media. On that note i would like to make known some experiments the Australian government was carrying out! My grandfather was an aircraft maintenance technician many years ago. He obsessively tells me of an experiment they carried out where dry ice was shoveled into a modified chute into the clouds. He claimed they were at the aircraft altitude ceiling and the dry ice would cause the clouds to drop their water. He claimed they were wearing oxygen masks to breathe!

By Stephen on 2014 10 29 - 14:39:09
From the entry 'Chemtrails brownshirts renew threats against TNRA'.

Andrew Adams,

‘looking up’ does not tell you much about atmospheric physics. You can’t see that the air gets cooler with increasing altitude and decreasing density. You can’t see the wildly varying relative humidity, the pockets of ice supersaturation or the jet streams.
It takes knowledge and measurements to understand and make predictions. That’s what meteorologists and atmospheric scientists are there for, after all.

Regarding the notorious “Case Orange” text - supposedly compiled by an anonymous group of people - it is not even coming close to a peer-reviewed scientific paper. It piles up a lot of conjecture together with well-meaning statements that everybody can subscribe to. It also constantly mixes up contrails, cloud seeding and low-altitude chemical dispersion which are entirely unrelated things.

Can you point me to the best evidence in this text for the claim that persistant contrails are deliberately mixed with spraying material, as part of “large-scale geoengineering projects through commercial aviation”? I can’t find any.

What do you think is the single most important fact that supports the theory that persistant contrails are not just ice crystals? I am ready to be convinced if it stands up to scrutiny.

By Josh on 2014 10 28 - 09:51:35
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

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By Ankara Travestileri on 2014 10 28 - 05:01:25
From the entry 'Meet Brendon O'Connell, Australia's first political prisoner'.

Josh
Pardon me iff I dont take you seriously. Chemtrails or if you like, persistant contrails, are nothing new. To suggest that because something is “exotic” means that it is hypothetical, shows your disingenuousness or your stupidity, or both.. Ive learnt long ago not to trust unqualified anonymous numpties on the internet who say things like, “Still no evidence that persistent contrails are anything but.” when all one needs to do to discredit that nonesense is to be in possession of a functioning cognisant ability, and to look up.  If thats not enough, there is plenty of scientific proof also. that shows chemtrails are actually not that exotic at all, that they have been used for decades for various purposes. It is all documented. I have no interest in hearing anything else you have to say, you have said it all, countless times already in this post. You really should get yourself a hobby, maybe go outside once in a while, unless youre scared.

By Andrew Adams on 2014 10 27 - 09:47:55
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Andrew Adams,

two remarks in reply to your post:

1. The “British academic” is David Lim, a former PhD candidate at University of Reading, his subject “Construction Management and Engineering”. His field of research included urban/domestic energy concepts, like in this project.

He has dropped out in 2013 after getting involved with the chemtrail conspiracy theory (and others). He now calls himself an “independent researcher”, but unfortunately he is obviously just reurgitating some long debunked mainstream claims of the chemtrail community, like the one you quoted.


2. The original text of H.R. 2977 was written by Alfred Webre, Carol Rosin and others from the ‘Institute for Cooperation in Space’ (ICIS).

The term ‘chemtrails’ is listed under the category ‘exotic’, along with other hypothetical weapons like ultrasonic, tectonic or psychotronic ones (see original text).

Dennis Kucinich removed these ‘exotic weapons’ in a second version of the bill. It seems he hadn’t scrutinized the first version properly. He said “When I found out that was in there, I said, ‘Look, I’m not interested in going there.’” (Reference : Ohio Newspaper “The Plain Dealer”, 2003-03-12)

Carol Rosin later commented on the modification: “This bill will only ban space-based weapons and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit. It is NOT a bill to ban chemtrails and/or psychotronics or mind control devises or any specific weapons listed in the category of definitions in the original bill.” (Reference)

So that’s all there is to it. Apparently, you can write anything into a congressional bill; there is no obligation for reality checks (unlike with scientific papers).

Still no evidence that persistent contrails are anything but.

By Josh on 2014 10 26 - 21:38:41
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

John Pilger and his mate chumpsky are disingenous gate keepers. Nothing they say here is unheard of, or un reported elsewhere.. The whole world knows of why israel is copping justifiable criticism. They pretend to be on the side of truth and justice, all the time perpetuating the lies.

Pilger stated the most “plausible” scenario for 911, is that “they” let it happen.  His good mate julian assange is on the record saying that those who question the official account of 911 “annoy” him.  After more than a decade of investigation of the evidence, the consensus would suggest the most “plausible” explanation would be that “they” engineered, executed and implemented the cover up.

Pilger is therefore either willfully ignorant, or deliberately deceptive.

By Andrew Adams on 2014 10 25 - 10:51:03
From the entry 'How you have been betrayed by your government and your media'.

Leonard Clampett,

I wish you could point out in one sentence or two why you think my explanation is wrong regarding increased contrail activity that precedes approaching weather fronts.

Copying and pasting heaps of loosely related paragraphs is very unconvincing.

On the good side, I see that you now seem to acknowledge that supersaturation in the atmosphere exists. Several pages earlier, you wrote: “Firstly let me iterate that there is no such thing supersaturation in the free atmosphere at any altitude.” So some advancement there.

However, you picked the wrong sort of supersaturation. Persistent contrails depend on supersaturation with respect to ice instead of supersaturation with respect to water. This occurs at much lower levels of relative humidity (with respect to water); it can happen below 70% already and is in no way limited to the vicinity of thunderstorms.

We have been through this before, you know. That’s why I’m repeating the quotes and their reference from scientic papers that I already gave you on that previous page:

From The dependence of contrail formation on the weather pattern and altitude in the North Atlantic:

Aircraft flying through cold ice-supersaturated air produce persistent contrails which contribute to the climate impact of aviation[/url]

From Cirrus, contrails, and ice supersaturated regions in high pressure systems at northern mid latitudes:

The radiosonde data showed that the upper troposphere was very often supersaturated with respect to ice.

From Formation, properties and climatic effects of contrails:

Condensation trails (contrails) are aircraft induced cirrus clouds, which may persist and grow to large cirrus cover in ice-supersaturated air

From Properties of Ice-Supersaturated Layers Based on Radiosonde Data Analysis:

While supersaturation with respect to ice is not required to form a contrail, it is necessary for the contrail to persist for long times.

From Contrail formation in aircraft wakes

[...] contrails form when the air surrounding the particles becomes supersaturated with respect to ice.

From Aviation and the Global Atmosphere:

Each of these freezing mechanisms requires that the atmosphere be highly supersaturated with respect to the vapor pressure of ice before crystals can form.

 

By Josh on 2014 10 24 - 04:59:59
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Josh,
I believe you are simply out of your depth trying to impress others with knowledge you allege to have gleaned from glider flying instructors, and, as you write, the University of North Carolina you have “linked” to, or you are a mis-informationist, a shill, a useful tool to others. Either way you are simply misguided. Your quoting of terms you have read in textbooks does you no service. Your claims about supersaturation demonstrate your lack of knowledge. You need to understand supersaturation in regard to meteorology is mainly associated with thunderheads, hail and freezing conditions way beyond the normal. Have you ever seen a cumulonimbus topping out at 60,000 feet? I can say without fear of intelligent contradiction that you have never, in a glider, experienced a micro-burst at low level because you would, or should, never have been making an approach to land in such conditions. Supersaturation can result from the internal violence associated with the updrafts inherent in a low level thunderstorm.  Being a glider pilot does not mean you have sat and passed any of the senior level meteorology examinations as I have done in both Australia and Canada. To be a private glider pilot you only need to have passed the meteorology examination for a private pilot to demonstrate you have sufficient knowledge of basic meteorology to hopefully fly safely. Did you know that urine can become supersaturated and cause kidney stones? No massive changes of freezing level temperatures there, I can assure you. No doubt you will respond with some inane theory, but if it makes you feel superior please do so. I hope you are not passing on your inanities to young glider pilots around the bar at the gliding club whilst expanding you ego at their expense. Because meteorology is more of an art than a science, using science to compose theories, I can set you an examination with particular details regarding a place, and no matter whether you answer yes or no to the question posed, I cannot mark you wrong if you back up your answer with logical reasoning. e.g. “Will there be fog in the morning at place A given the following forecast ambient conditions?” Nobody can be 100% sure of the answer and must wait and see if the forecast proves correct.

Simple physics regarding clouds from Wikipedia for your assistance. There is much more from other sources but I do not have the time to train you.
Supersaturation.
1. To cause a chemical solution to be more highly concentrated than is normally possible under given conditions of temperature and pressure.
2. To cause a vapor to exceed the normal saturation vapor pressure at a given temperature.

Cloud physics is the study of the physical processes that lead to the formation, growth and precipitation of clouds. Clouds consist of microscopic droplets of liquid water (warm clouds), tiny crystals of ice (cold clouds), or both (mixed phase clouds). Cloud droplets initially form by the condensation of water vapor onto condensation nuclei when the supersaturation of air exceeds a critical value according to Köhler theory. Cloud condensation nuclei are necessary for cloud droplets formation because of the Kelvin effect, which describes the change in saturation vapor pressure due to a curved surface. At small radii, the amount of supersaturation needed for condensation to occur is so large, that it does not happen naturally. Raoult’s Law describes how the vapor pressure is dependent on the amount of solute in a solution. At high concentrations, when the cloud droplets are small, the supersaturation required is smaller than without the presence of a nucleus.

In warm clouds, larger cloud droplets fall at a higher terminal velocity because the drag force on smaller droplets is larger than on large droplets. The large droplet can then collide with small droplet and combine to form even larger drops. When the drops become large enough so that the acceleration due to gravity is much larger than the acceleration due to drag, the drops can fall to the earth as precipitation. The collision and coalescence is not as important in mixed phase clouds where the Bergeron process dominates. Other important processes that form precipitation are riming, when a supercooled liquid drop collides with a solid snowflake, and aggregation, when two solid snowflakes collide and combine. The precise mechanics of how a cloud forms and grows is not completely understood, but scientists have developed theories explaining the structure of clouds by studying the microphysics of individual droplets. Advances in weather radar and satellite technology have also allowed the precise study of clouds on a large scale.

History of cloud physics

The history of cloud microphysics developed in the 19th century and is described in several publications. Otto von Guericke originated the idea that clouds were composed of water bubbles. In 1847 Agustus Waller used spider web to examine droplets under the microscope. These observations were confirmed by William Henry Dines in 1880 and Richard Assmann in 1884.
Formation
Rising packets of moist air

As water evaporates from an area of the earth surface, the air over that area becomes moist. Moist air is lighter than the surrounding dry air, creating an unstable situation. When enough moist air has accumulated, all the moist air rises as a single packet, without mixing with the surrounding air. As more moist air forms along the surface, the process repeats, resulting in a series of discrete packets of moist air rising to form clouds.
Supersaturation

The amount of water that can exist as vapor in a given volume increases with the temperature. When the amount of water vapor is in equilibrium above a flat surface of water the level of vapor pressure is called saturation and the relative humidity is 100%. At this equilibrium there are equal numbers of molecules evaporating from the water as there are condensing back into the water. If the relative humidity becomes greater than 100%, it is called supersaturated. Supersaturation occurs in the absence of condensation nuclei, for example the flat surface of water.

Since the saturation vapor pressure is proportional to temperature, cold air has a lower saturation point than warm air. The difference between these values is the basis for the formation of clouds. When saturated air cools, it can no longer contain the same amount of water vapor. If the conditions are right, the excess water will condense out of the air until the lower saturation point is reached. Another possibility is that the water stays in vapor form, even though it is beyond the saturation point, resulting in supersaturation.

Supersaturation of more than 1–2% relative to water is rarely seen in the atmosphere, since cloud condensation nuclei are usually present. Much higher degrees of supersaturation are possible in clean air, and are the basis of the cloud chamber.
Supercooling

Water droplets commonly remain as liquid water and do not freeze, even well below 0 °C (32 °F), because of the high surface tension of each microdroplet, which prevents them from expanding to form larger ice crystals. Without ice nuclei supercooled water droplets can exist down to about −40 °C (−40 °F), at which point they will spontaneously freeze.
Collision-coalescence
Main article: Coalescence (meteorology)

One theory explaining how the behavior of individual droplets leads to the formation of clouds is the collision-coalescence process. Droplets suspended in the air will interact with each other, either by colliding and bouncing off each other or by combining to form a larger droplet. Eventually, the droplets become large enough that they fall to the earth as precipitation. The collision-coalescence process does not make up a significant part of cloud formation as water droplets have a relatively high surface tension. In addition, the occurrence of collision-coalescence is closely related to entrainment-mixing processes.[7]
Bergeron process
Main article: Bergeron process

The primary mechanism for the formation of ice clouds was discovered by Tor Bergeron. The Bergeron process notes that the saturation vapor pressure of water, or how much water vapor a given volume can hold, depends on what the vapor is interacting with. Specifically, the saturation vapor pressure with respect to ice is lower than the saturation vapor pressure with respect to water. Water vapor interacting with a water droplet may be saturated, at 100% relative humidity, when interacting with a water droplet, but the same amount of water vapor would be supersaturated when interacting with an ice particle. The water vapor will attempt to return to equilibrium, so the extra water vapor will condense into ice on the surface of the particle. These ice particles end up as the nuclei of larger ice crystals. This process only happens at temperatures between 0 °C (32 °F) and −40 °C (−40 °F). Below −40 °C (−40 °F), liquid water will spontaneously nucleate, and freeze. The surface tension of the water allows the droplet to stay liquid well below its normal freezing point. When this happens, it is now supercooled liquid water. The Bergeron process relies on supercooled liquid water interacting with ice nuclei to form larger particles. If there are few ice nuclei compared to the amount of SLW, droplets will be unable to form. A process whereby scientists seed a cloud with artificial ice nuclei to encourage precipitation is known as cloud seeding. This can help cause precipitation in clouds that otherwise may not rain. Cloud seeding adds excess artificial ice nuclei which shifts the balance so that there are many nuclei compared to the amount of supercooled liquid water. An over-seeded cloud will form many particles, but each will be very small. This can be done as a preventative measure for areas that are at risk for hail storms.
Dynamic phase hypothesis

The second critical point in the formation of clouds is their dependence on updrafts. As particles group together to form water droplets, they will quickly be pulled down to earth by the force of gravity. The droplets would quickly dissipate and the cloud will never form. However, if warm air interacts with cold air, an updraft can form. Warm air is less dense than colder air, so the warm air rises. The air traveling upward buffers the falling droplets, and can keep them in the air much longer than they would otherwise stay. In addition, the air cools as it rises, so any moisture in the updraft will then condense into liquid form, adding to the amount of water available for precipitation. Violent updrafts can reach speeds of up to 180 miles per hour (290 km/h).[9] A frozen ice nucleus can pick up 0.5 inches (1.3 cm) in size traveling through one of these updrafts and can cycle through several updrafts before finally becoming so heavy that it falls to the ground. Cutting a hailstone in half shows onion-like layers of ice, indicating distinct times when it passed through a layer of super-cooled water. Hailstones have been found with diameters of up to 7 inches (18 cm).[10]
Cloud Classification
Main article: List of cloud types

Clouds are classified according to the height at which they are found, and their shape or appearance. There are three basic categories based on physical structure and process of formation. Cirriform clouds are high, thin and wispy, and are seen most extensively along the leading edges of organized weather disturbances. Stratiform clouds appear as extensive sheet-like layers, ranging from thin to moderately thick with some vertical development. They are mostly the product of large scale lift of stable air. Cumuliform clouds are formed mostly into localized heaps, rolls and/or ripples ranging from very small cloudlets of limited convection in slightly unstable air to very large towering free convective buildups when the airmass is very unstable. Clouds of limited convection that show a mix of cumuliform and stratiform characteristics are often grouped into a fourth category, stratocumuliform.

These categories are cross-classified by high, middle, low, and vertical altitude ranges into ten genus types. All cirriform clouds are classified as high and therefore constitute a single cloud genus cirrus. Stratiform and stratocumuliform clouds in the topmost region of the troposphere have the prefix cirro- added to their names yielding the genera cirrostratus and cirrocumulus. Similar clouds found at intermediate heights carry the prefix alto- resulting in the genus names altostratus and altocumulus. No height-related prefixes are used for the low altitudes, so clouds of these two physical categories based around 2 kilometres or lower are known simply as stratus and stratocumulus.

Vertically developed nimbostratus (deep stratiform), cumulus, and cumulonimbus may form anywhere from near surface to intermediates heights of around 3 kilometres and therefore, like the low clouds, have no height related prefixes. However, those capable of producing heavy precipitation or stormy weather carry a nimbo- or -nimbus designation. Of the vertically developed clouds, the cumulonimbus type is the largest and can virtually span the entire troposphere from a few hundred metres above the ground up to the tropopause. It is the cloud responsible for thunderstorms. Its complex structure often combining a cirriform top and stratocumuliform accessory clouds with an overall cumuliform structure sometimes result in this genus type being separated into a fifth physical cumulonimbiform category. This leaves the cumulus genus with its simple heaped structure as the sole purely cumuliform physical category type. Small cumulus is usually considered a low cloud genus, while taller cumulus is more often grouped with cumulonimbiform and deep stratiform genus types as vertical or multilevel.
The cloud chamber, also known as the Wilson chamber, is a particle detector used for detecting ionizing radiation.
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A Home Made Cloud Chamber
Image taken in the Pic du Midi at 2877m in a Phywe PJ45 cloud chamber (size of surface is 45 x 45 cm). This rare picture shows in a single shot the 4 particles that we can detect in a cloud chamber : proton, electron, muon (probably) and alpha

In its most basic form, a cloud chamber is a sealed environment containing a supersaturated vapor of water or alcohol. When a charged particle (for example, an alpha or beta particle) interacts with the mixture, the fluid is ionized. The resulting ions act as condensation nuclei, around which a mist will form (because the mixture is on the point of condensation). The high energies of alpha and beta particles mean that a trail is left, due to many ions being produced along the path of the charged particle. These tracks have distinctive shapes (for example, an alpha particle’s track is broad and shows more evidence of deflection by collisions, while an electron’s is thinner and straight). When any uniform magnetic field is applied across the cloud chamber, positively and negatively charged particles will curve in opposite directions, according to the Lorentz force law with two particles of opposite charge.

Cloud chambers played a prominent role in the experimental particle physics from 1920s to the 1950s, until the advent of the bubble chamber. In particular, the discoveries of the positron in 1932, the Muon in 1936, both by Carl Anderson (awarded a Nobel Prize in Physics in 1936), and the kaon in 1947 were made using cloud chambers as detectors. Anderson detected the positron and muon in cosmic rays.

By Leonard Clampett on 2014 10 23 - 10:18:01
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Geoengineering is Real: British Academic Reveals Size and Scope of Operation

“The term ‘Chemtrails’ is not a conspiracy theory either. The name can be traced back to the US Congress itself. House Bill 2977, Space Preservation Act 2001, Page 5, line 15, under the heading of “exotic weapons”.”

By Andrew Adams on 2014 10 22 - 14:17:07
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Engineered Drought Catastrophe, Target California
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYG5emdZp8#t=64
So Josh, your argument against chemtrails on all points. There is nothing to debate.

By Leonard Clampett on 2014 10 22 - 13:15:51
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

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