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In today's show I spend a good deal of time talking about why I don't subscribe to the theory that there is a global campaign of aerosol spraying (aka chemtrails) going on.
In the 2nd hour I am joined by Josh Jackson, who chimes in with his views regarding the alleged spraying.
This discussion is not presented as expert evidence, it is merely the opinion of 2 ordinary guys with a basic level of education, a willingness to look at facts and to let evidence, rather than belief, shape our opinions.
Chemtrails brownshirts renew threats against TNRA
I have once again received an ominous threat, allegedly from the group "Anonymous", and once again because of my sceptical response to claims about the existence of a global aeorsol spraying campaign known as "chemtrails", and because I insist that such claims must be supported by evidence in order to be taken seriously.
These latest threats follow on the heels of threats made last week:
I hope you know about zombie trojans and how to check for them. Buckle up boys the ride is about to get bumpy
So, because I follow the basic principals of empirical research and science, I am now branded an enemy by so called "hacktivists" who hide behind anonymity, preach about freedom of speech, and terrorise independent blog editors.
The most ironic and Orwellian part of all this is that, while on the one hand they threaten to shut down or "deface" my website, on the other hand they accuse me of censorship, all because a few posts have been deleted and a few IP addresses have blocked. They of course neglect to mention that I have allowed a mega thread on the subject to continue for many months, and that I have asked people from both sides of the argument to actually come on my show and have a debate.
If this is the calibre of the frontline of chemtrail activists, then what does that tell you about the whole movement? Think about it.
Here is the latest message, in full:
We are anonymous and you should by now realise your troubles are much bigger than any single issue like "Chemtrailers". Until now "media" has been exempt from attack. As exemplified by upcoming actions towards Julian Assange the leakpimp, many have reconsidered this position.
Is hacktivism and distributed denial of service violence? What then a temporary defacing or data theft? When you posted onto Facebook "I'm screwed" & "They have stolen all my data" with the thread "Thugs have threatened to shut down TNRA" was that a lie, request, prediction or mistake? Time will tell.
Truth News censorship is bad for truthful debate. You censor others but are outraged it could happen to you. We found amusement in you advocating get off face book 'via' face book. Webmaster excuses aside, it's double standards.
Do you understand the difference between physical violence & digital activism? Are you ready for a lesson? You would be foolish to underestimate the importance of this message. Our rage is greater than your outrage! Stand corrected and retract, otherwise all your bases are belong to us.
We Are Anonymous
We Are Legion
We Do Not Forgive
We Do Not Forget
Thugs have threatened to shut down TNRA - we must be doing something right!
Some of the fanatical chemtrail believers are posting threats on this website, eg:
Hereward as a computer whatever I hope you know about zombie trojans and how to check for them. Buckle up boys the ride is about to get bumpy
These threats are of course pathetic and indicative of a major chip on the shoulder. I doubt the author is even capable of "walking the talk", but I'm flattered nonetheless that he thinks TNRA is important enough to warrant such an attack.
These threats are purportedly coming as a result of my sceptical position on chemtrails, believe it or not!
The fact that chemtrailers are willing to entertain the idea of using violence against TNRA should indicate to you that there is something amiss with the whole chemtrails movement.
I believe "chemtrails" is quite likely a psyop, similar to the 9/11 "no-planes" meme, designed to sew discord and division among the community of truth seekers by injecting absurd and empirically unsound claims into general discussion.
I believe the fundamentally evil intent of those promoting "chemtrails" is exposed in these threats against me, simply for taking a sceptical position (ie: asking for evidence).
These are the classic bully tactics of fascists, who use a mix of deception, violence and mob mentality to destabilise their opposition.
This is not in the spirit of the truth movement. These guys have been outed by their own hand.
I hope this will prompt all our regular listeners to reconsider what I have been saying about chemtrails all along, to ask the hard questions, and honestly look at both sides of the argument.
Let it be known that I will, at my discretion, ban people who are persistently rude, persistently off-topic in a spammy way, expose privileged personal information, make libelous accusations, or (most pertinently) use threats in lieu of argument and evidence to make their point! If you are already banned it's because you fall into one of these categories. If you email me and promise me not to do it again I may lift the ban. The ball is in your court.
Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?
Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.
All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.
If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.
However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.
The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.
There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!
Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.
For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.
Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.
After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.
Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.
But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.
That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.
If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.
Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.
Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.
Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?
Think about it.
Highlights from Skid Row Radio with Hereward, Karla and Jack
Today we bring you highlights from the Workers Radio breakfast show on Radio Skid Row 2RSR 88.9 FM Sydney, from 1 December 2011. You can tune in to the show every morning from 6-9 AM, and if you're outside Sydney you can listen via the web stream here.
I am joined on air by the show host Jack Frost and psychologist Karla Cryer who previously was interviewed on TNRA.
During our discussion we cover a variety of topics, including geo-engineering, "chemtrails", and the Schapelle Corby case. We also take calls and engage in some robust debate.
I hope you enjoy the show.
Chemtrails: a closer look
In tonight's show we start with some breaking news in relation to climate change and internet censorship, with the announcement that the government has back-flipped in both of these policy areas. We interpret this as a victory for the grass roots truth and justice movements!
In part 2 we return to a perplexing subject which has generated a great deal of discussion at truthnews.com.au.
What are those white trails in the sky? Is it a government conspiracy? Are they poisoning us? Is it geo-engineering? Is it weather modification? Or is it just harmless water vapour?
John Bursill, aircraft engineer, returns to TNRA to grapple with these questions.
For those who are chemtrail "believers" this show may be a disappointment. Our research has not come up with any tangible evidence that this is anything other than a natural phenomenon caused by factors such as air temperature and humidity. We also note that those who promote the chemtrail theory have been unable to get any experts on side with their ideas, and they also fail to produce evidence (other than photos of contrails) to support their claims. We note that measuring the amount of barium in a water supply tells is nothing about where that barium came from, and the use of such measurements as evidence is scientifically worthless.
If you disagree with our findings please present your evidence in a rational, scientific manner and we will give it our attention!
Thanks for listening (:
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