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Islamists vow revenge for the death of a ‘warrior’

04 May 2011 | Permalink | comments: 0

Categories: [ 9/11 Truth Movement ]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/islamists-vow-revenge...html

Tom Allard, Jakarta | May 4, 2011

THE killing of Osama bin Laden will bring ''disaster'' to the US and the al-Qaeda leader secured victory even in death, according to radical Indonesian cleric Abu Bakar Bashir.

Bashir, who is in prison as he faces charges of leading and financing a new terrorist organisation, met with his acolytes yesterday for the first time since news of bin Laden's demise.

''Ustad Abu [Bashir] said if the news is true, it means Osama won the battle twice,'' said his spokesman, Sonhadi, who visited Bashir in the Jakarta penitentiary.

''First, he will get the title as martyr in the afterlife and, second, his death is the victory over the hegemony of infidels. Ustad Abu also said Allah will bring disaster upon the US for killing the warrior of Islam … we just don't know what that disaster will be.''

Mr Sonhadi, who himself was imprisoned for four years for hiding terrorist leaders, said Bashir had his doubts that bin Laden had been killed, noting that no pictures of his corpse had been made public.

It was a theme prominent on Indonesian jihadist blogs and comments from militants yesterday, as were predictions of bloody revenge.

''Americans may be partying, celebrating his death. But they will cry later and be blanketed with pain,'' Syawal Yasin told the Jakarta Globe newspaper.

Syawal is the son-in-law of Abdullah Sungkar, who along with Bashir founded Jemaah Islamiah (JI), the terrorist group with direct links to al-Qaeda responsible for multiple attacks in Indonesia, including both Bali bombings.

JI has been badly fractured thanks to successful law enforcement efforts but other extremist groups have come to the fore, including some that are legal and have links to the police and political figures.

The Islamic Defenders' Front (FPI), which has been behind a string of attacks on religious minorities, will hold a commemoration service tonight in honour of bin Laden.

Jakarta's governor and police chief attended FPI's anniversary celebrations last year. The Jakarta police chief, Timur Prabopo, was later appointed national police chief by Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. A series of plots have been uncovered in Indonesia in the past two years, including a plan to explode a massive bomb near a church during Good Friday services last month.

Any operational involvement by al-Qaeda in Indonesian militant groups these days remains unclear but great intrigue surrounds the arrest of Umar Patek, Indonesia's most wanted militant, in January in Abbottabad, the same Pakistani city where bin Laden was slain. The arrest followed a firefight in which the JI operative was shot.

Patek was a senior JI member who trained in Afghanistan and acted as deputy field commander in the first Bali bombing that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.

Pakistani media reports said Patek was liaising with an al-Qaeda operative, a courier who also worked as a clerk at Abbottabad's post office.

According to an anonymous source from Indonesia's intelligence agency quoted in Koran Tempo, Patek was in Abbottabad to meet with al-Qaeda operatives and plan attacks to coincide with the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

Anthony Bubalo, an analyst writing on the Lowy Interpreter blog, said: ''Perhaps most interesting of all is why bin Laden was not spooked into moving location as a result of Patek's arrest.''

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Cris,

you say that “there is very, very minimal jet air traffic where we are, except when rain is likely.”

You can spot jet planes easily if they create contrails, short or long. As I have stated before, contrail conditions usually improve when a weather front is approaching. That explains why you see more jets then.
(As a matter of fact, right now there is a large warm front approaching the area where I live - lots of trails that get more and more embedded into cirrus clouds; tomorrow will be rain all day.)

The big problem is to spot jet planes at cruise altitude when the air is dry up there, and no trails are formed.

It’s hardly possible with bare eyes - not because your or anyone’s eyes are bad, but because the planes are tiny and there is the unwelcome effect of “empty-field myopia”. This means that everyone has trouble focussing on a distant object if there is no reference in the vicinity, like in a uniformly coloured piece of sky. (Leonard Clampett probably knows it from flight school.)

To count any non-trailing planes you need to do a systematic and slow sweep over the visible sky with a pair of binoculars. (You may be surprised!)

Again, have a look at flightaware.com or flightradar24.com, go to your area and see the actual traffic going by your place at any time. Keep in mind that if there are no mountains or buildings blocking the view, you can see contrails in a range of 65 miles and more from your position.

Can you state where you are, county-wise at least? I would like to have a look myself.

Next time you see three planes abreast, or circles, or grids - grab a camera and take a picture. Otherwise it’s hard to say what you saw. May have been normal traffic where the many routes are bound to intersect at some points, or circling in holding positions, or military exercises.

Without seeing pictures, it’s just speculation.

By Josh on 2014 08 30 - 04:22:18
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Leonard Clampett,

I did not talk about ill-meaning individuals when I wrote about the attack on science and reason. I was referring to the ancient caveman in everyone of us, who is always ready to invent a god or some other higher power in order to construct a simple explanation when reality becomes to complex to grasp.

Let me stress that I believe that no one is really safe there, and that it requires an act of will to escape the attraction of explaining world problems away by postulating some secret evil power. I can’t really blame people who fall for it (I myself was into UFOs as a teenager), but unfortunately it distracts from the real problems; consequently I am convinced that someone should give a voice to skepticism ...

That all aside, have you researched ice supersaturation and the creation of water during combustion of hydro-carbons?

By Josh on 2014 08 30 - 04:17:16
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Hi Josh
You have a problem. There is very, very minimal jet air traffic where we are,except when rain is likely.Beside that how would you explain 3 planes abreast spewing the rubbish out? Isn’t that a bit odd? Do Jets usually fly 3 abreast? Do they make circles, checker boards and other weird patterns? And for the record an ex Ansett 767 pilot who came here thinking I was exaggerating about the amount jet made chemtrails, only when rain was forecast, admitted the situation was exactly as I stated. He was a senior pilot, trained in meteorology. I’d say his views should be taken seriously. I believe there is approaching 150 patents for atmospheric modification chemicals alone. Am I to presume that HAARP’s coupling with the chemicals is a fairy story too?
Ignore at your peril. Disinform to your disgrace.
Selah
Cris

By Cris on 2014 08 29 - 13:13:26
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Josua Dietze. So you no longer have to hide from the public, or is it your real name? Wanting to know a name is not a fixation, it is courtesy to advise who you are unless, of course, you have something to hide from. A friend advised me you had come back to continue to spread misinformation, so, why have you not been able to understand a couple of simple things. The first is “conspiracy”, and the second is “theory”.
CONSPIRACY (Middle English-Anglo French) is defined, in the main, as “an unlawful alliance” and some synonyms include: 1. collusion, sedition. 2. Conspiracy, plot, intrigue, cabal all refer to surreptitious or covert schemes to accomplish some end, most often an evil one. A conspiracy usually involves a group entering into a secret agreement to achieve some illicit or harmful objective: a vicious conspiracy to control prices. A plot is a carefully planned secret scheme, usually by a small number of persons, to secure sinister ends: a plot to seize control of a company. An intrigue usually involves duplicity and deceit aimed at achieving either personal advantage or criminal or treasonous objectives: the petty intrigues of civil servants. Cabal refers either to a plan by a small group of highly-placed persons to overthrow or control a government, or to the group of persons themselves: a cabal of powerful lawmakers.
THEORY (late Latin and Greek) is defined as a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena, e.g. Einstein’s theory of relativity.
I am wondering just what seditious, evil, criminal, treasonous, surreptitious, illicit, harmful objectives you believe we, who understand that chemtrails are real, have entered into as a group to viciously “conspire” to cause harm to whomever you think would be harmed by telling the truth as opposed to spreading falsehoods.
In order to conspire, as you can see, a group must enter into some kind of agreement to cause harm. So, the question for you, as the claimant that says people “conspire” to cause harm by pointing out that chemtrails are real, is, “What is the harm that would be caused, and to whom, by those who understand that forces are at work to modify atmospheric conditions, by way of atmospheric spraying of unnatural ingredients to have power over all?”
Do you believe that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, or hundreds of millions of people, across the globe are “conspiring’ with each other to do harm by telling of chemtrails?

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