Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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Contrails over London in 1944

Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.

All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.

If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.

However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.

The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.

There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!

Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.

CONTRAIL SCIENCE

For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.

Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.

After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.

Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
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TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.

But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.

That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.

If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.

Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.

Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.

Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?

Think about it.

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Leonard Clampett said:

“Your calculation does not take account of the entire air mass moving through the engine. It cannot simply be ignored. 1 tonne of fuel and 58.82 tonnes of atmosphere compressed and burned equals 59.82 tonnes”

My calculation takes into account the elements that are directly involved in the combustion process. Obviously, to retrieve that 3.47 tonnes of oxygen, a lot of air has to go through the combustion chamber. But most of it is not involved in the combustion.

All this does not alter the fact that the combustion of 1 ton of fuel generates 1.37 tonnes of water that wasn’t in the atmosphere before.

By Josh on 2012 12 11 - 06:29:50

Leonard Clampett,

did you have a look into the studies that confirm supersaturation as the precondition for persistant contrails?

If you still don’t accept the existence of this phenomenon, I suggest you phrase your objections in a letter to the authors of the papers I linked previously.

The most prominent of the authors are probably Professor Hoskins of Reading University and Professor Dr.-Ing. Ulrich Schumann from the DLR (Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt).

What do you think is the reason for all these scientist to incorporate supersaturation in their daily research work?

By Josh on 2012 12 12 - 01:04:20

Hi M and K,this was posted this morning,24/01, on Max Igan’s FB wall,thought you may be interested.It’s not new news, but some may be unaware of the link between Fluoride and Chemtrails.

Very early this morning I received a message from a friend, a software designer who has worked extensively with DNA mapping, most especially mitochondrial DNA. She had just watched my latest film Trance-Formation for the first time. I thought I would share her comments with you all…

This is what she sent me…

Her: I haven’t gone to sleep yet and I just saw Trance-Formation. It blew my mind!!! If your still up, I reckon I can tell you EXACTLY what the NWO plan is and it’s all got to do with our DNA, in particular Mitochondrial DNA and they have known about this since at least 1952. This system has to be brought down yesterday!

Her: Eukarya is one of the three kingdoms that make up the total biological life for humans.This is the kingdom that is responsible for the creation of mitochondrial DNA and mitochondrial DNA is the DNA that provides the energy (battery), contains the DNA code to produce DNA material (such as proteins, enzymes, cells etc.) and is responsible for the regeneration and repair of DNA in general. Those unknown/unidentified fibres that Sophia Smallstorm talks about, have the same structure as those identified found in the Eukarya biological region of the human body.

Her: Guess what Fluoride destroys? It destroys Mitochondrial DNA at even minuscule levels. I part in 30 million destroys mitochondrial DNA which is the architect/building block for all our cells and the body.

Her: They’ve known about this since at least 1952. We’re being prepped & primed for the introduction of Transhumanism. Chemtrails introduce nano-technology/electrical responders, the wireless technology send the code/signal instructions, and the implant of the RFID chip will be the CPU where the signals/information and pulse can be controlled (switched on/off. Add that to the free energy from carbon film (the free energy film; we are all made of carbon, which is an energy store that can be switched on or off according to this new fee energy technology, reduce the body’s resistance through immunisations, and destroy the factory that reproduces and renews the body’s cells through water fluoridation and the NWO plan all fits nicely into place!!!

Me: You got it

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 01 26 - 07:54:14

So, Leonard Clampett, you have just been shown how persistent contrails are formed.

Why are you pasting this crazy stuff now? Copy/Paste does not magically generate truth. That weird text is all over the net.

There is no evidence that persistent contrails are anything but persistent contrails - so, no chemtrails there.

Can you show us “these nano-technology/electrical responders”? No?
How then do you know that what you pasted is not totally bunk?

By Josh on 2013 03 01 - 01:39:47

Josh Anonymous,

You apparently do not do much research. Notice how, over the Eastern Australian summer, there have been many chemtrails coincident with usual weather patterns where obvious rain should have been the outcome had the chemtrails not been laid, and it was not, and this during the season when ambient conditions are not conducive to the formation of contrails. Chemtrails are entirely different to what you term “persistent contrails” as you would know if you had sufficient aviation life experience. You may try to explain how there was recently, and I have observed the same many times before, a chemtrail below a layer of fair weather Cu at 8,000 ft and how this could possibly occur without the laws of physics and thermodynamics being turned on their head. I suggest that you do an Internet search for the activities of Bill Gates and geoengineering.

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 02 - 10:51:00

Leonard Clampett,

after you consistently refused to accept the fact that fuel combustion generates more water than the equivalent of fuel burnt - even when a Qantas pilot confirmed this - I am highly skeptical of your “aviation life experience”. I hope you understand that.

So there are more explanations needed before your claims can be taken seriously.

1. How did you determine that the ambient conditions at the upper troposphere were not conducive to the formation of contrails this summer?

2. How did you determine the causal connection between trails and lack of rain?

3. How did you determine the altitude of the low trail that you saw? How can you be sure it was below the cumulus? Why not above (remember: 3D viewing up to 160m max)? Any pictures maybe?

If you want to do REAL research on the Internet, I strongly suggest to repeat every search query that you issue with the word “debunked” appended. That is the way to do proper research because you see both sides and their arguments. Don’t just fall for sensational claims.

Unfortunately, the Internet is loaded with bunk.

By Josh on 2013 03 02 - 15:06:10

http://www.haarpstatus.com/status.html

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 13 - 05:44:15

Leonard Clampett,

about the link you posted - where is the relevance in the discussion about persistent contrails?

By Josh on 2013 03 13 - 05:50:08

If you open the link you will see the reference to chemtrail area forecasts. The other link I wish to post is refused by the “Truth news” which claims it may be SPAM and “will be moderated”, probably because it mentions chemtrails in the link. However, I will try again by separating the words. http://www.chemtrail forecast.com/main.html

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 13 - 06:02:16

http://realnewsworldwide.com/2008/09/10/chemtrails-ultimate-proof/

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 09 - 13:31:36

Leonard Clampett,

the video you linked is a really old conglomerate of all sorts of claims that have been debunked ad nauseam.

What do you think is the ultimate proof for the existence of chemtrails?

Why should we have to assume there is such a thing like chemtrails? How are they different from contrails?

By Josh on 2013 04 10 - 03:59:34

http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Geoengineering.pdf

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 06:19:23

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 06:28:20

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/dane-wigington-on-infowars-4-4-13/#comment-33658

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 06:31:03

For all the naysayers and deniers of chemtrails, here is a link to show that the word “chemtrails” was not coined by members of the general public but the the US Air Force as shown in their pilot training manual shown here in that manual published in 1990.

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/chemtrails/us-air-force-academy-chemtrail-manual.html

Maybe we can now get on with the task of stopping the chemtrails.

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 06 16 - 11:48:59

Leonard Clampett,

the title of the “chemistry 131” textbook is a pun on the title of the Air Cadet’s handbook called “Contrails”, which everyone of them gets since the 1950ies:

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/108977-my-small-collection-of-air-force-academy-insignia/

The textbook is about science. There is no connection to what you are calling “chemtrails”. Read it for yourself:

http://metabunk.org/files/chemtrails-chemistry-manual-usaf-academy-1999.pdf

I strongly suggest you have a look on page 22 and following, where you will find a good wrap-up about how to confirm a theory according to the scientific method. Apply that to your theory of chemtrails.

What is your scientific evidence?

By Josh on 2013 06 16 - 14:17:03

I have to say Josh, you need to do a lot more research. I suggest that you see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T5xi4dejjWw and also go to
http://www.stopthecrime.net/nasa.html and download the NASA .pdf titled “NASA and the Future of War” which comes from the NASA web-site.
After you have read it you could then decide for yourself if it is a genuine document or is it just another means of keeping the population of the world in constant fear. I am not really interested in your self-proclaimed theories. I do my own research and, with my experience, bordering upon 58 years now, I much prefer to believe what I have experienced in terms of what I know governments are capable of, than propositions by the inexperienced.

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 06 25 - 06:25:52

Just in case you misinterpret Josh. I am 69 years of age and I cannot consider I began truly following what was happening around me until I was 11 years of age. I was in Baghdad when you were still in your dad’s bag.

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 06 25 - 06:32:24

Leonard Clampett,

your being 19 years older than me did not keep you from wrongly refuse to accept the fact that one ton of jet fuel creates 1.3 tons of water when combusted, or claiming that you can determine the altitude of a contrail by looking at it with your bare eyes.

The document you linked has no relevance to the persistance of contrails. They can and do linger for hours which is known since WW II.

Do you still deny this?

By Josh on 2013 06 26 - 00:00:35

Chemtrail Proof: Evergreen Aviation Admits to Chemtrail Contracts with USAF

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/chemtrails/chemtrail-proof-evergreen-aviation-admits-to-chemtrail-contracts-with-usaf.html

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 08 04 - 05:13:50

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RECLAIM AUSTRALIA IS DOOMED

Although I agree with many of their ideas, the forces reigned against RAM are too great, violent, statist and reactionary for them to remain a non-political, broad based, multi-ethnic, community protest group for much longer. The Left and their Antifa nihilist fellow travelers are already pushing them towards the extreme Right, by calling them racists and Islamophobes and so on. Whilst the extreme Right have aligned themselves with RAM. With fascists of the Left and Right pressuring them they will not be able to remain beyond the Left-Right divide and will inevitably move to the Right - the extreme Right. Which is already happening. A development which will alienate decent Australians of all ethnic backgrounds many of whom currently support them.

The RAM leadership have already established open alliances with the Patriotic Front (the ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration) Australia First and Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi party. Members of these collectivist groups are currently attending RAM demonstrations all over Australia.

There is a real need in Australia to establish a political movement beyond the Left-Right divide and their vested interests, a movement that questions the current direction Australia is heading i.e. the direction the Left/Right and their extremes would like to take it; that questions the efficacy of state sponsored multiculturalism, as opposed to a proper, non-discriminatory immigration policy; that questions the validity of political correctness; that is politically neutral, anti-war and pro environment; that is opposed to all collectivists ideologies (fascisms of the Left and Right); that would dismantle the power pyramids of corporations and banks and their ability to impact on government; that would dissolve all anti-terror laws and all laws that impose on the rights and freedom of the individual and the people.

(The ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration)

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/reclaim-australia-rally-set-for-sydney-on-sunday-20150718-gifb9s.html

http://australiafirstparty.net/news/reclaiming-australia-queensland-senate-campaign/

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From the entry 'Statism, the greater good and the big lie'.

I second Keith’s assertion that Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He bangs on about Halaal being a scam and money maker for Islam (and no I don’t support Halaal whatsoever), but makes excuses for its counterpart Kosher as being a somehow legitimate. Double standards? When I confronted him about this fact he went off on a convoluted tirade about Israel being some sort of “Bastion of Democracy” in the middle east…Really!, I will leave that one up to the readers to decide on. I found that MH came across as disingenuous to say the least.

By Citizen Scorn on 2015 07 19 - 07:33:43
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

Without doubt, TNR is one of the best, if not the best alternative news source on the net. Which doesn’t mean Herewood is always right. His job, I believe, is to present the facts as he sees them as an objectively as possible, without fear or favor. For this, he has my respect and support. But I believe he needs to be careful and to think a little deeper about the problems of “racism,” in Australia. He has labelled the Reclaim Australia Movement as racist. I’m wondering if his objectivity is a little weak on this point, a little without foundation.

Of course all political movements have its fringe groups and individuals. We make a distinction between, for example, a Muslim and a fundamentalist Muslim (Islamist), and by so doing we don’t claim that all Muslims are blood thirsty fanatics. If its good for the Muslims, then its good for RAM, which is bound to attract a few lunatics and real racists. But to brand the entire movement as “racist” is wrong; it is the same ploy that is used by the mainstream media and its left-wing, establishment Marxist boot boys.

One of the first things I noticed when i attended a RAM rally recently were the amount of non-white people in attendance, including Aboriginals. In fact the main banner of RAM contains an Australian flag and an Aboriginal flag. Speakers at their rallies have included Jews, Arabs, Indians, Aboriginals, Chinese and so on. What does this tell you? Is this really a fascist-Nazi-racist movement whose stated aim are the eradication and exclusion of other cultures, in place of some sort of Aussie white Reich, or is this just propaganda that is being propagated by the left for their own political interests. Consequently, we all know where the culmination of their politics have led, historically speaking, which are to the imposition of terror and dictatorships.

We can be thankful for small mercies, in terms of the Left, which today mostly tends to attract collectivists, establishmentarians and the privileged sons and daughters of the upper bourgeoisie, who seems to share one thing in common, nativity….

By Eugene on 2015 07 18 - 16:03:54
From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He hasn’t even been citizen for but a few years. But, he makes out like he was born there. ALSO - this guy spent 30 years in Thailand working shady businesses. I would wager that his primary purpose in being an activist is that he wants to make money off selling merchandise.

By Keith on 2015 07 17 - 20:51:15
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

good to see you putting out some new shows heraward

freely the banana girl is to a certain extent a troll, as is her boyfriend durian rider. they have been trolling the fitness community on youtube for some time… and yes they are extreme but they are also trolls. They use their trolling to spread their message. currently, another dude called vegangains is trolling the fitness community as well.

i am a vegetarian, and it was seeing this documentary on the pork industry that started me on the vegetarian path. for anyone interested, its pretty off the charts disturbing and its australian as well. its pretty much made by dudes breaking into pork farms and filming what they find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArL5YjaL5U

Would the world be better if people cared where their food came from? probably, they might then care about other things too

do you become a better person if you dont eat meat? i feel like a better person mainly because animals aren’t being hurt because of me. i dont feel humans have to eat meat really… or at least not much. How can you watch that documentary on pork, know that that is pretty much whats going on and turn a blind eye to it? I think its basic empathy and just saying well ‘i like bacon so yeah’ is in my opinion wrong and i can see freleys point of view to an extent. In my opinion, at least these people believe in something. i see my money as my vote, henceforth im ethical as to what i do with it. free range eggs became mainstream for exactly this reason… although im pretty sure woolies and coles lobbied the state to change the definition of the word ‘free range’ at some point. I dont eat beef because the amount of resources that go into growing a cow are pretty crazy. Think about how much grass that cow needs to eat before it is harvested and how much space it requires. think of how many vegies you could grow in the same space with the same amount of water. lamb? comon, think about what your doing here… but that being said i think most vegans are total loons. People like freeley should be advocating for the destruction of lions and tigers, as lions and tigers murder other animals in truly horrific style. if we humans are smart enough to not harm animals, then we should be stopping the animals that harm other animals from existing. Freeley also kills birds when she flies in aeroplanes so she is a hypocrite.

feminism is one of the biggest problems in society today and although there is some valid historical basis to it, the liberation of the human female from their biology is in my opinion largely a product of the technological advance of humans. sufferagettes where never machine gunned on the streets, unlike the men that where drafted and sent off to war to die just a few years earlier. as technology has advanced, women have advanced as well, however now its going way too far and is pretty blatantly anti male in many respects. i view feminism in its modern context as a tool of the social marxists that really isnt doing society a great deal of good at this time. its screwing up gender dynamics and is wrecking women and men for each other. i see it as low frequency, lowest common denominator idiocy, just like a lot of the the race baiting ‘is this racist’ stuff getting around that is being perpetuated pretty much as a distraction, divide and conquer strategy by the power elite. idiots love this kind of bicker and beef… it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious

anyway

I agree with steven friar. gods a maniac

good show… keep making them

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Stay tuned for more rules here as usually is the case!!!

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Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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