Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

Contrails over London in 1944

Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.

All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.

If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.

However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.

The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.

There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!

Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.

CONTRAIL SCIENCE

For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.

Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.

After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.

Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
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TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.

But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.

That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.

If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.

Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.

Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.

Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?

Think about it.

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is there anything fenton wont delete?

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you should try focusing on the more important issues in phoenix mans post.. rather than simply more pot stirring

By m3again on 2012 11 12 - 18:34:58
From the entry ‘Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?’.

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By agin mee on 2012 11 12 - 16:45:42

Mr. Fenton if you don’t mind, agin mee. Have some manners, man.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 11 12 - 18:36:29

‘scuse…

MR. FENTON

please stop banning my ip and deleting my comments..

(_X_)

By agin mee on 2012 11 12 - 19:25:53

Skywatcher/Meagain/agin mee said:

“fenton insulted me first, ive done no worse than he.”

Then why did you start insulting me ?

“please stop banning my ip and deleting my comments.. “

Why not try to write a post free of insults ?

By Josh on 2012 11 12 - 22:09:08

Phoenix Man said:

“Upon closer observance it has become increasingly difficult to ignore the activity of numerous high altitude aircraft leaving plumes that over the course of several hours expand and coalesce to make massive cloudlike formations that could be easily mistaken for overcast above sometimes naturally-occurring cumulus clouds.”

What you describe are most likely persistant contrails and “contrail cirrus”. They behave like clouds because that’s what they are. Initiated by human beings, of course, but their further development depends on the prevailing conditions in their environment.

About the contrail frequency: perhaps the increase can be attributed to the rise in air traffic over the last decade.

Did you try to identify the planes with the help of flightaware or flightradar24?
A simple telescope may also reveal more details about them.

“I recognized how throughout most of the year this was an almost daily phenomenon initiated by planes with sometimes bizarre and inconsistent flight paths”.

Can you specify what you mean by bizarre and inconsistent flight paths?

By Josh on 2012 11 13 - 02:24:51

Skywatcher/Meagain/agin mee said:

“fenton insulted me first, ive done no worse than he.”

Then why did you start insulting me ?

“please stop banning my ip and deleting my comments.. “

Why not try to write a post free of insults ?

this is not meant as an insult, just saying, but the problem with you josh is you dont pay attention to what other people say. ive told you already why i have issues with you, and if they havnt been deleted, you can go back and peruse them at your leisure, or i shall tell you once more, in the hope you finally get it this time.

reasons are, but not limited to, you sit on here, as some sort of self proclaimed arbiter of what is, and what isnt, a contrail or a chemtrail.

you tell me that what im looking at, in a smarmy condescending way, that i have no reason for concern, with no knowledge of what im looking at.

you refuse to acknowledge any kind of geoengineering program that people offer you evidence of, and dismiss the concerns of millions worldwide as issues with their imaginations.

youve now appointed yourself hall monitor for this thread that youve dominated from the start, and tell others exactly how appropriate it is for my comments to be deleted and for me to be blocked from commenting, all the while, while youve been guilty of the same things.

i could go on, but from past experience, im not sure of what use it is to try to explain things to you. you have been dealt with patiently and politely by others, but thats not my style, its also not my problem.

a post free of insults… again, youre in no position to call thatr one, however, like i said, my first post here was a simple criticism, polite and succinct. MR FENTON took umbrage that i dare call hypocrisy, hypocrisy, and subsequently not only deleted my posts, and blocked my ip, declared me a TROLL and then changed his comments in an attempt to make himself look less foolish.

I am supposed to show that sort of behavior any sort of respect?

like ive said previously, i treat people the way they treat me, you might not use the colourful language that i do, but your posts and attitude is definitely insulting.

perhaps you dont have concerns about chemtrails, but that doesnt mean you should be entitled to belittle anyone else who does, in the light of the plethora of evidence that suggests their concerns are legitimate, especially when the only thing you have to counter anything anyone posts here, is your unqualified opinion.

now, i hardly think people come here to discuss my arsenal of insults, or how many barbs i throw into a comment, thats not the topic here.

i suggest, most respectfully, that after 30 pages, your point of view has been made perfectly clear, and unless you have some information that can show beyond all reasonable doubt, that people have nothing to be concerned about, then id suggest youve said all you need to.

people here are expressing their concerns as to why MR FENTONS article is wrong in their opinion, they are not asking what you think of their concerns, nor are they asking you for the answers, as you are not answering in any sort of official capacity.

thankyou.

By agin mee on 2012 11 13 - 05:48:11

ten years ago, people who had concerns about 9/11, were told, relax, youre imagining things, there is nothing to be concerned about.

the same people who said that, are now saying theres nothing to be concerned about chemtrails.

some remain willfully ignorant, others simply flat out liars.. but the glaring evidence is beyond doubt. ( or sometimes the lack of it, as in the case of flight 77 and the pentagon, no verifiable evidence flight 77 hit )

i dont mean to speak for phoenix man.. but josh asks..

Can you specify what you mean by bizarre and inconsistent flight paths?

seriously? it is a straightforward statement.. the definitions of all those words are understood by most with a basic understanding of english, im not sure why you think anyone owes you the time explaining and justifying every word and expression they make..

i think its self explanatory and that is the sort of thing that is so annoying and time wasting.

perhaps if you can show that planes never travel on bizarre and inconsistent flight paths.. simply post that. otherwise, you could qualify why youre asking the question, to make it sound less pretentious.. like..

Can you specify what you mean by bizarre and inconsistent flight paths? - because it is my understanding that planes always fly in a direct pre determined route, and there is no way planes would criss-cross, or fly over areas that are not on a direct route between capital cities etc etc etc..

By agin mee on 2012 11 13 - 06:23:12

Had Josh actually bothered to read the linked article from Phoenix man he would have seen that Phoenix Man was only summarizing the author’s position.

Phoenix man asked me to let you know like agin mee who he is glad offered opinion in his absence; that they along with several others clearly have no desire to enter into a closed circular argument with people like Fenton and Jackson. Phoenix man decided that served limited purpose when they dismissed as irrelevant to this argument amongst other things the concerns for of people living under “clouds” in the snowy hydro region. He like me and others are interested in presenting for discussion the various aspects of this ‘TABOO” subject regardless of what they believe and deny or require further clarification about.

Perhaps they should have researched more thoroughly this topic before commencing to assume the role of authority in authoring this blog article.

If anyone else doubts the mounting evidence of increased spray campaigns this may come as a surprise, however anyone who has been watching this space with an open mind will not be surprised that there here is a push to expand the cloud seeding program in the NSW Snowy Mountains across the state borders. “Now that we’ve more than doubled the target area” There’s a lot of potential for cloud seeding over the wider region. There has been some interest expressed from the ACT and Victoria. There is interest in expanding this now permanent chemtrail creating, cloud seeding, geo-engineering program over a wider area,”

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-08-12/weather-modification-program-set-to-grow/942038

By Friend of Phoenix on 2012 11 13 - 07:52:26

Does Josh agree with the distinction drawn in this video between “contrail cirrus” and “natural cirrus”???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsJwbne1ojA

By Wayne Hall on 2012 11 13 - 13:33:08

@ Wayne Hall interesting conflicts pointed out in the clip. Even reinforcing it with an easy to understand explanation I think as with many others, that point was ignored before & I don’t expect much of response from “OP” I surprised you still welcome here with that type of attitude. LULZ

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-010-0868-1
Albedo enhancement of marine clouds to counteract global warming: impacts on the hydrological cycle will also probably be ridiculed as conflated issue akin to unproven, climate alarmist conspiracy theory and I would not expect much else from the brains who cant promote getting of facebook from facebook.

“OP” why not stay OS and just close this site as it’s devolved into a chemtrails oasis and you obviously don’t wan’t that happening.

By AnonVZero on 2012 11 13 - 16:52:42

AnonVZero (why “Anon” - why not give your name as I do?

Mr Fenton and Josh have opposite views on climate change. Why not give their viewpoints on this, from their opposite perspectives.

There are also more blatantly opposite views online on the effects of contrail cirrus:
http://deoxy.org/meme/AviationSmog

Is this not a more fruitful topic for discussion than contrails vs chemtrails?

Josh what is your answer to the question I ask above?

A polite answer to a polite question, please.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 11 13 - 18:48:57

By the way, in this video: http://deoxy.org/watch/tX1WfZ_Wrq4 there is a discussion (towards the end) of bizarre and inconsistent flight paths. They are presented as a problem to be overcome.

This is surely not how geoengineers would see them.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 11 13 - 18:59:52

Skywatcher said:

“you dont pay attention to what other people say”.

I’m not perfect, but it is my freedom to choose the issue to ponder about. My opinion is that the topic of the blog article is worth coming back to and focussing on because it is obviously a central point.

Besides, I am not able to comment on every post or link even if I’d like to.

Your very first post in this thread started with this sentence:
“Call this normal contrail and you are blind, stupid, or both.”

Anybody daring to take an opposing point of view got already the first insult before even starting. Was that your intention?

I wish you would stop attacking persons and instead attacking the arguments. Why don’t we start over?

You say you see spraying switched on and off.
I say broken contrails exist because of the variability of the humidity in the atmosphere.

Right? Wrong?

You say planes flying on the same day can’t produce very different normal contrails.
I say it does not take much distance (or time) between them to alter the environmental conditions; again, the variability of humidity can explain the varying trails.

Right? Wrong?

If there are factual errors in these arguments, I’ll welcome a correction. Let’s talk facts!

By Josh on 2012 11 14 - 06:15:58

facts is, ive told you numerous times, ( like i said, its a waste of breath - as you dont seem to listen ) i dont care to enter into a never ending circular discussion with someone who is unqualified to address my concerns, and does not represent any official capacity. why should i care what you THINK?

( and more noteworthy - why should you care so much what others think? - thats another one you simply choose to ignore. )

i would consider, happily, if youd like to post some FACTS ... some evidence to prove beyond all reasonable doubt, that ive no reason to have any concerns, but your unqualified opinion has already been noted. ( evidence from those suspected of being complicit in geo engineering can not be considered beyond doubt )

if people refuse to acknowledge the evidence of geo engineering projects, officially acknowledged and otherwise, past, present and future.. then yes.. they be blindingly stupid. a simple google image search for “chemtrails” will return a plethora of images, including some of trails that are quite obviously BIZARRE and INCONSISTENT. to tell me that is simply a result of weather, assumes that i am either blind or stupid, and so i have no hesitation in saying to you, that if you consider them to be the result of weather, then it is you who is blind or stupid… or both.

i do believe wayne has indicated ( By Wayne Hall on 2012 11 13 - 16:33:08 ) he is willing to entertain your opinion some more, but i think others should be allowed to express opposition to the articles baseless premise without being required to submit to a barrage of questions from you, on all forms of banal minutia , as if you are the final arbiter on all to do with chemtrails… right? wrong?

By agin mee on 2012 11 14 - 08:36:23

“My opinion is that the topic of the blog article is worth coming back to and focussing on because it is obviously a central point.”

yeah, and the insulting central point of the article is suggesting that because contrails may linger - that that is some sort of proof against chemtrails.

its a pathetic argument.

whats worse.. is this statement.

The often cited claim that “normal contrails dissipate quickly” is total bunkum.

There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!

im not here to be lectured by you or anyone about how insulting or otherwise my comments are, if you dont like what or how i say things, well sorry, but D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F.

ive done my research, and have formed my own opinions, i dont need you to tell me what you think im looking at, or what you know or dont know about anything. im also not here to convince you of anything either, im merely expressing an opinion, and if treated with respect when i first cam to this place, that is how i would have responded..

and again, you shouldnt be lecturing people on how to behave either, because if youre not 100% sqeaky clean, that can only be defined as hypocritical.

By agin mee on 2012 11 14 - 08:53:39

“Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It’s fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.”

thats like me saying… maybe on the subject of 911..

Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article ( popular mechanic ) and associated links. It’s fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by conspiracy theorists.

dont tell me thats not insulting…

“Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.”

translation - if you dont agree with me… you cant think for yourself..

the whole article is one big unqualified insult.

thats my opinion.

By agin mee on 2012 11 14 - 09:14:00

One point to “think about”. If “contrail cirrus” is useful to the world because it lowers the level of incoming sunlight and cools the planet, how is it to be distinguished from “normal” cirrus? What is abnormal about aircraft, and many many of them, flying in “our” skies?

Is there some “normal” cirrus that is hermetically sealed from being affected by aircraft?

Is that close enough to the “topic of the blog article”?

Surely the point that is at issue in the “chemtrails/contrails” argument is whether what is being seen in the sky is the unintended and useless, indeed undesirable (European Union aviation policy) side effect of flying jet aircraft or whether someone has a motivation to produce it because it serves some purpose they have in mind.

A comment on that, Josh, or is that unrelated to the “topic of the blog” also?

Why did the BBC clip refer to “normal cirrus”? What is it?

Is it anything more than a confused and stupidly cunning reaction to the contrails/chemtrails argument??

By Wayne Hall on 2012 11 14 - 11:42:05

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Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:18 PM
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Subject: Debate with Mike Glynn?

Hi there,

This is Hereward from Truth News Radio Australia.
Mike Glynn has agreed to come on my show to debate the chemtrails/contrails controversy.
Mike is an airline pilot and a sceptic of chemtrail claims as you probably know.

Would you like to come on the show to argue your case with him?
We go to air every Wednesday 8PM CST in the US. In Sydney this corresponds
to 1PM Thursdays.

Please let me know if you are interested and we’ll organise it!

best regards,

Hereward Fenton
Editor
http://www.truthnews.com.au

G’day,

I do not argue a case. Others are free to believe whatever they will.
I am not here to alter their minds, rather I present what I know/believe based on my experience and evidence I believe to be best available.

I never debate sceptics because the very definition of a sceptic is one who does not have sufficient information to form an opinion one way or the other.

Thanks anyway,

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the government created Corporate Artifice/Artificial Legal Entity
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Wow.

Your refusal to engage in a debate speaks volumes about your credibility.

So far every chemtrail activist I’ve spoken with has refused to debate the subject. I find that weird.

I guess Mike Glynn will steal the show!

Let me know if you change your mind.

cheers
Hereward

G’day,

Best of luck to Mike for stealing the show, whatever that may mean.

I do not believe my credibility is at stake in anyway, rather that it is the veracity of evidence offered that is under scrutiny. As an instance those who promote claims that chemtrails do not exist and seem a little concerned over a couple of my posts, the matter of supersaturation comes to mind. The Wikipedia website promoted in regard to this supersaturation claim is about the supersaturation of liquids under pressure. “Fizzy” drinks have CO2 forced into their containers under pressure. This is the only way to get the gas into suspension and it is released only when the pressure is released upon opening, for instance. Divers suffer the “bends” when surfacing too fast as gasses dissolved in their body by pressure at depth are released from dissolution.

CO2 is absorbed by the sea waters in particulate form. No pressure there except gravity.

Atmospheric pressure is described as the measurement at the base of a column of air extending up to the limit of the atmosphere enclosing the planet. At Mean Sea Level standard pressure of 14.7 pounds to the square inch or 29.92 inches of mercury or 1013.2 hectopascals (hPa) (millibars), the weight of the column of air above the measurement point is that which is measured. A millibar change in altitude equates to 30 feet (approximately) so at, say, 20,000 feet the standard temperature would be about -25 degrees Celsius and the Standard pressure would be about 346 millibars. The humidity is the main variant in this equation to create Dew Point and visible moisture (cloud/fog).

We know that cyclones become very dangerous when their pressure centre falls to about 990 hectopascals. Ergo, no pressure here to possibly cause saturation beyond 100%, therefore no pressure at altitude either to create supersaturation. If the centre of pressure in a cyclone fell to about 950 millibars the wind would be so strong that everything in the vicinity would be blown away except the very earth itself.

At 40,000 the standard pressure is about -320 millibars and standard temperature about -65 Celsius. Density at any altitude depends upon temperature and humidity.

As we can see there can be no supersaturation at altitude due to the lack of required pressure. The laws of physics are obeyed by nature and 100% humidity finds that when the temperature combines and Dew Point is reached we get cloud/fog and any reduction in temperature or addition of moisture will produce rain or ice which will suffer under gravity.

By Leonard Clampett on 2012 11 14 - 14:52:41

No chance of supersaturation as far as cyclones are concerned, but plenty of cloud.

No beer bottles at high altitude and the critic of my post on that must have misunderstood when I wrote that that was the opposite of what happens at altitude.

The only moisture that comes from combustion is from the hydrogen molecules and they are not overly saturated as there is no water in fuel in aircraft. Ergo, the only moisture emitted from an exhaust came from the intake air and minuscule amounts of hydrogen.

I distribute a Nanotech Fuel Saver which gives all internal combustion engines almost 100% combustion efficiency. Reciprocating, rotary, turbine or otherwise. Our car, a Toyota Aurion, has 119,000 kilometres on the odometer and passes exhaust gas emission tests with 100 percent efficiency and a lambda of 1. It emits some water and warm air only on starting, and when reaching operating temperature it only emits warm air. You can place your hand on the exhaust pipe after a 200 kilometre run and have no fear of getting burned. It has no residue and no discolouring in the exhaust pipe. Having tested vehicles for economy for many years I believe I know what exhaust emissions are made of and understand that only gasses and particulates are emitted.

Those who believe that the photo at the top of this page has been faked because there were no jets over London during the second world war, just do not understand that the engine used does not determine a contrail, it can be a piston engine or a turbine. It is ambient conditions that predicate contrails obeying the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

By Leonard Clampett on 2012 11 14 - 15:15:30

“Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.”

This quote from above under the video an only have come from somebody with not much of an idea. Turbulence of any severity is what causes contrails to break up and dissipate.

By Leonard Clampett on 2012 11 14 - 15:23:35

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RECLAIM AUSTRALIA IS DOOMED

Although I agree with many of their ideas, the forces reigned against RAM are too great, violent, statist and reactionary for them to remain a non-political, broad based, multi-ethnic, community protest group for much longer. The Left and their Antifa nihilist fellow travelers are already pushing them towards the extreme Right, by calling them racists and Islamophobes and so on. Whilst the extreme Right have aligned themselves with RAM. With fascists of the Left and Right pressuring them they will not be able to remain beyond the Left-Right divide and will inevitably move to the Right - the extreme Right. Which is already happening. A development which will alienate decent Australians of all ethnic backgrounds many of whom currently support them.

The RAM leadership have already established open alliances with the Patriotic Front (the ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration) Australia First and Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi party. Members of these collectivist groups are currently attending RAM demonstrations all over Australia.

There is a real need in Australia to establish a political movement beyond the Left-Right divide and their vested interests, a movement that questions the current direction Australia is heading i.e. the direction the Left/Right and their extremes would like to take it; that questions the efficacy of state sponsored multiculturalism, as opposed to a proper, non-discriminatory immigration policy; that questions the validity of political correctness; that is politically neutral, anti-war and pro environment; that is opposed to all collectivists ideologies (fascisms of the Left and Right); that would dismantle the power pyramids of corporations and banks and their ability to impact on government; that would dissolve all anti-terror laws and all laws that impose on the rights and freedom of the individual and the people.

(The ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration)

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/reclaim-australia-rally-set-for-sydney-on-sunday-20150718-gifb9s.html

http://australiafirstparty.net/news/reclaiming-australia-queensland-senate-campaign/

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From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

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By Prova a Adidas Neutro Originals Nizza Nero Giallo on 2015 07 20 - 08:41:30
From the entry 'Statism, the greater good and the big lie'.

I second Keith’s assertion that Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He bangs on about Halaal being a scam and money maker for Islam (and no I don’t support Halaal whatsoever), but makes excuses for its counterpart Kosher as being a somehow legitimate. Double standards? When I confronted him about this fact he went off on a convoluted tirade about Israel being some sort of “Bastion of Democracy” in the middle east…Really!, I will leave that one up to the readers to decide on. I found that MH came across as disingenuous to say the least.

By Citizen Scorn on 2015 07 19 - 07:33:43
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

Without doubt, TNR is one of the best, if not the best alternative news source on the net. Which doesn’t mean Herewood is always right. His job, I believe, is to present the facts as he sees them as an objectively as possible, without fear or favor. For this, he has my respect and support. But I believe he needs to be careful and to think a little deeper about the problems of “racism,” in Australia. He has labelled the Reclaim Australia Movement as racist. I’m wondering if his objectivity is a little weak on this point, a little without foundation.

Of course all political movements have its fringe groups and individuals. We make a distinction between, for example, a Muslim and a fundamentalist Muslim (Islamist), and by so doing we don’t claim that all Muslims are blood thirsty fanatics. If its good for the Muslims, then its good for RAM, which is bound to attract a few lunatics and real racists. But to brand the entire movement as “racist” is wrong; it is the same ploy that is used by the mainstream media and its left-wing, establishment Marxist boot boys.

One of the first things I noticed when i attended a RAM rally recently were the amount of non-white people in attendance, including Aboriginals. In fact the main banner of RAM contains an Australian flag and an Aboriginal flag. Speakers at their rallies have included Jews, Arabs, Indians, Aboriginals, Chinese and so on. What does this tell you? Is this really a fascist-Nazi-racist movement whose stated aim are the eradication and exclusion of other cultures, in place of some sort of Aussie white Reich, or is this just propaganda that is being propagated by the left for their own political interests. Consequently, we all know where the culmination of their politics have led, historically speaking, which are to the imposition of terror and dictatorships.

We can be thankful for small mercies, in terms of the Left, which today mostly tends to attract collectivists, establishmentarians and the privileged sons and daughters of the upper bourgeoisie, who seems to share one thing in common, nativity….

By Eugene on 2015 07 18 - 16:03:54
From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He hasn’t even been citizen for but a few years. But, he makes out like he was born there. ALSO - this guy spent 30 years in Thailand working shady businesses. I would wager that his primary purpose in being an activist is that he wants to make money off selling merchandise.

By Keith on 2015 07 17 - 20:51:15
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

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freely the banana girl is to a certain extent a troll, as is her boyfriend durian rider. they have been trolling the fitness community on youtube for some time… and yes they are extreme but they are also trolls. They use their trolling to spread their message. currently, another dude called vegangains is trolling the fitness community as well.

i am a vegetarian, and it was seeing this documentary on the pork industry that started me on the vegetarian path. for anyone interested, its pretty off the charts disturbing and its australian as well. its pretty much made by dudes breaking into pork farms and filming what they find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArL5YjaL5U

Would the world be better if people cared where their food came from? probably, they might then care about other things too

do you become a better person if you dont eat meat? i feel like a better person mainly because animals aren’t being hurt because of me. i dont feel humans have to eat meat really… or at least not much. How can you watch that documentary on pork, know that that is pretty much whats going on and turn a blind eye to it? I think its basic empathy and just saying well ‘i like bacon so yeah’ is in my opinion wrong and i can see freleys point of view to an extent. In my opinion, at least these people believe in something. i see my money as my vote, henceforth im ethical as to what i do with it. free range eggs became mainstream for exactly this reason… although im pretty sure woolies and coles lobbied the state to change the definition of the word ‘free range’ at some point. I dont eat beef because the amount of resources that go into growing a cow are pretty crazy. Think about how much grass that cow needs to eat before it is harvested and how much space it requires. think of how many vegies you could grow in the same space with the same amount of water. lamb? comon, think about what your doing here… but that being said i think most vegans are total loons. People like freeley should be advocating for the destruction of lions and tigers, as lions and tigers murder other animals in truly horrific style. if we humans are smart enough to not harm animals, then we should be stopping the animals that harm other animals from existing. Freeley also kills birds when she flies in aeroplanes so she is a hypocrite.

feminism is one of the biggest problems in society today and although there is some valid historical basis to it, the liberation of the human female from their biology is in my opinion largely a product of the technological advance of humans. sufferagettes where never machine gunned on the streets, unlike the men that where drafted and sent off to war to die just a few years earlier. as technology has advanced, women have advanced as well, however now its going way too far and is pretty blatantly anti male in many respects. i view feminism in its modern context as a tool of the social marxists that really isnt doing society a great deal of good at this time. its screwing up gender dynamics and is wrecking women and men for each other. i see it as low frequency, lowest common denominator idiocy, just like a lot of the the race baiting ‘is this racist’ stuff getting around that is being perpetuated pretty much as a distraction, divide and conquer strategy by the power elite. idiots love this kind of bicker and beef… it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious

anyway

I agree with steven friar. gods a maniac

good show… keep making them

By r0Kb3B0p on 2015 07 14 - 21:05:32
From the entry 'Addictions, obsessions, fanaticisms and distractions'.

Really truthfull.

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:56:36
From the entry 'Defending your personal health choices'.

Yeah sure authority aware.

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:28:55
From the entry 'What is the future of Australia?'.

Stay tuned for more rules here as usually is the case!!!

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:21:50
From the entry 'Mass media disinformation and brainwashing dissected'.

Almost two months since the last broadcast! How the hell can you expect people to donate when you don’t broadcast? Looks like the ship of truth has sprung a leak. This broadcast has been part of my life almost since its inception…it is one of the few alternative news sources that hasn’t gone off the deep end, by dilution credible information with crap e.g. Fairdinkum Radio and Info Wars…Pittard started FR with some incredibly interesting material, but then he flipped…Today he sounds like a fundamentalist preacher, the Christian equivalent to a Fanatical Islamist. As an atheist, I think he’s really ###### up a potentially good show. As for Info Wars, all they would have to do to improve is dump Alex Jones, what a shit-for-brains. I reckon Jones and Pittard are allowed to proliferate, because they’re so stupid and harmless. I suppose they have some entertainment value, and along with David Icke are living examples of how low the alternative media has sunk. Truth News Radio is, or should I say was, way ahead of them all ahead of them all in terms of credibility How sad that its come to this.

By Eugene on 2015 06 28 - 17:28:56
From the entry 'Introducing Internet.org: Mark Zuckerberg's free 'private' internet which will soon be rolled out to 4 billion+ people'.

Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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