Round table discussion: do we really need money?

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By Hereward Fenton

Tonight's show is a round table discussion conducted at Rudolf Steiner House in Sydney.

Do we need money? Is economic competition healthy or unhealthy? How should we organise society? These perennial questions are finally answered in tonight's show!

Our guests tonight are:

Darrell Wheeler from the Social Threefolding Organisation
Chris Wilkins from Zeitgeist Australia
Lisa Devine from Anthroposophy in Australia
Truth News co-anchor Josh Jackson

This is the third (and last) in our series on Building a Creative Economy.

Coincidentally, there is a newly released rap news video from thejuicemedia.com which covers some of the topics which we addressed in this show.

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such a big topic with not enough time. Only just scratched the surface. Should bring back each guest individualy for one on one with only hereward.

By matt s on 2011 10 02 - 20:35:06

I agree with Matt wholeheartedly.

The only real issue I see with the zeitgeist movement, is the transitional process. With that said, I would like say this.

In regards to the discussion surrounding people using force to attain others unique creations, I believe this would be a non-issue. Here’s my reasoning.

Whether it be music creation, sculptural creation, scientific creation or the pursuit of information, these are essentially all forms of art.

I believe any artist will tell you that the joy or reward they attain is not only achieved by the means of discovery or creation, but also the sharing of that creation or information. Simply put, an artist makes their art or discovery to share with the world because this in itself brings happiness.

The reward within itself is seeing the smile or knowing of the joy bestowed upon their common persons.

At the same time, we all yearn a sense of uniqueness. As much as there is an underlying want to be identified as a fellow human, we all want to be able to be differentiated from each other.

So with an artist wanting to keep their creation to themselves. With them not been willing to trade their sculpture for someone else’s bread and honey. I think that once the transition has been made, you would find that forcible taking the art of someone else would not happen.

I believe with education and the elimination of the dog eat dog mantra that comes with our current form of society, people would achieve satisfaction from recognition and sharing. Coupled with the yearning to be unique, one would not want a replica or someone else’s personal creation. They would commission the artist for a mild variant.

If the two artists could not come to an arrangement for trade of their goods, reward would come from the pleasure of teaching the other to make the art themselves. Whether it be sharing of a recipe or technique.

We all at our deepest level gain an invaluable sense of joy by simply sharing joy itself. If we all have what we need, we would understand and embrace the two elements that empowers us all. The yearning to be unique, and the joy of sharing.

I’m not sure how else to say this but I believe once we are all truly free, that is the freedom of our choosing what we want to do with our time, all people would simply have no need or desire to steal anything.

Would you steal my music or sculpture knowing all well that I have the ability to make something more unique?

Wouldn’t you rather me make something special for you? Wouldn’t you rather I teach you how to make it yourself so you can also gain the joy of creation and exploration itself?

Why would I want yours, when you or I could make me something that echoes who I am? A perfectly unique creation.

I’m not sure if I’ve accurately made my point, I could say it a million times in a million different ways, but I know in my heart, there’s nothing I could create that would be, in my opinion, a finite example of my best work. I would share it openly with or without reward, for sharing itself brings something that no price can be placed.

Or sumthin…. =^-^=

By Calem on 2011 10 05 - 23:28:33

I honestly thought that I was living in a country that mainly was libertarian and we all pretty much love freedom and want to protect it but now I’m not so sure espescially when I see these kids 20yrs old that have been indoctrinated through no fault of their by the school system,they really do not seem to understand what true freedom is and they have no idea of the elite banking system that controls us all.It makes me think that if those over 35 don’t teach these kids some reallities our future will be much darker than it is now.We’ll have little brown shirts running around and environmentalism will be the new religion that the global elite have been pushing.We’ll all be on our knees praying to mother gaia!!! These communists at these occupy movements have really disturbed me and I to have had this uneasy gut feeling from the begginning.I hope the kids start seeing through the crap their being spoon fed or we are in real trouble in this country.

By Wheels on 2011 10 22 - 11:14:48

Попробую объяснить в двух словах.
Каждый из нас не раз сталкивался с ситуацией,
когда приходится заново инсталлировать Windows.
Уверен, что для всех это ситуация неприятна,потому-что:
- инсталляция занимает примерно 2 часа;
- затем установки Windows
необходимо инсталлировать много
программ, которые используются на компьютере.
Так вот, чтобы избежать этих ненужных моментов
помогает создание образа системного диска.
Как мы будем делать образ диска?
С помощью программы <a >Acronics True Image.</a>

By innoneync on 2012 11 08 - 00:49:41

Che? malacha.

By Wheels on 2012 11 08 - 08:55:48

RECLAIM AUSTRALIA IS DOOMED

Although I agree with many of their ideas, the forces reigned against RAM are too great, violent, statist and reactionary for them to remain a non-political, broad based, multi-ethnic, community protest group for much longer. The Left and their Antifa nihilist fellow travelers are already pushing them towards the extreme Right, by calling them racists and Islamophobes and so on. Whilst the extreme Right have aligned themselves with RAM. With fascists of the Left and Right pressuring them they will not be able to remain beyond the Left-Right divide and will inevitably move to the Right - the extreme Right. Which is already happening. A development which will alienate decent Australians of all ethnic backgrounds many of whom currently support them.

The RAM leadership have already established open alliances with the Patriotic Front (the ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration) Australia First and Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi party. Members of these collectivist groups are currently attending RAM demonstrations all over Australia.

There is a real need in Australia to establish a political movement beyond the Left-Right divide and their vested interests, a movement that questions the current direction Australia is heading i.e. the direction the Left/Right and their extremes would like to take it; that questions the efficacy of state sponsored multiculturalism, as opposed to a proper, non-discriminatory immigration policy; that questions the validity of political correctness; that is politically neutral, anti-war and pro environment; that is opposed to all collectivists ideologies (fascisms of the Left and Right); that would dismantle the power pyramids of corporations and banks and their ability to impact on government; that would dissolve all anti-terror laws and all laws that impose on the rights and freedom of the individual and the people.

(The ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration)

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/reclaim-australia-rally-set-for-sydney-on-sunday-20150718-gifb9s.html

http://australiafirstparty.net/news/reclaiming-australia-queensland-senate-campaign/

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From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

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By Prova a Adidas Neutro Originals Nizza Nero Giallo on 2015 07 20 - 08:41:30
From the entry 'Statism, the greater good and the big lie'.

I second Keith’s assertion that Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He bangs on about Halaal being a scam and money maker for Islam (and no I don’t support Halaal whatsoever), but makes excuses for its counterpart Kosher as being a somehow legitimate. Double standards? When I confronted him about this fact he went off on a convoluted tirade about Israel being some sort of “Bastion of Democracy” in the middle east…Really!, I will leave that one up to the readers to decide on. I found that MH came across as disingenuous to say the least.

By Citizen Scorn on 2015 07 19 - 07:33:43
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

Without doubt, TNR is one of the best, if not the best alternative news source on the net. Which doesn’t mean Herewood is always right. His job, I believe, is to present the facts as he sees them as an objectively as possible, without fear or favor. For this, he has my respect and support. But I believe he needs to be careful and to think a little deeper about the problems of “racism,” in Australia. He has labelled the Reclaim Australia Movement as racist. I’m wondering if his objectivity is a little weak on this point, a little without foundation.

Of course all political movements have its fringe groups and individuals. We make a distinction between, for example, a Muslim and a fundamentalist Muslim (Islamist), and by so doing we don’t claim that all Muslims are blood thirsty fanatics. If its good for the Muslims, then its good for RAM, which is bound to attract a few lunatics and real racists. But to brand the entire movement as “racist” is wrong; it is the same ploy that is used by the mainstream media and its left-wing, establishment Marxist boot boys.

One of the first things I noticed when i attended a RAM rally recently were the amount of non-white people in attendance, including Aboriginals. In fact the main banner of RAM contains an Australian flag and an Aboriginal flag. Speakers at their rallies have included Jews, Arabs, Indians, Aboriginals, Chinese and so on. What does this tell you? Is this really a fascist-Nazi-racist movement whose stated aim are the eradication and exclusion of other cultures, in place of some sort of Aussie white Reich, or is this just propaganda that is being propagated by the left for their own political interests. Consequently, we all know where the culmination of their politics have led, historically speaking, which are to the imposition of terror and dictatorships.

We can be thankful for small mercies, in terms of the Left, which today mostly tends to attract collectivists, establishmentarians and the privileged sons and daughters of the upper bourgeoisie, who seems to share one thing in common, nativity….

By Eugene on 2015 07 18 - 16:03:54
From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He hasn’t even been citizen for but a few years. But, he makes out like he was born there. ALSO - this guy spent 30 years in Thailand working shady businesses. I would wager that his primary purpose in being an activist is that he wants to make money off selling merchandise.

By Keith on 2015 07 17 - 20:51:15
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

good to see you putting out some new shows heraward

freely the banana girl is to a certain extent a troll, as is her boyfriend durian rider. they have been trolling the fitness community on youtube for some time… and yes they are extreme but they are also trolls. They use their trolling to spread their message. currently, another dude called vegangains is trolling the fitness community as well.

i am a vegetarian, and it was seeing this documentary on the pork industry that started me on the vegetarian path. for anyone interested, its pretty off the charts disturbing and its australian as well. its pretty much made by dudes breaking into pork farms and filming what they find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArL5YjaL5U

Would the world be better if people cared where their food came from? probably, they might then care about other things too

do you become a better person if you dont eat meat? i feel like a better person mainly because animals aren’t being hurt because of me. i dont feel humans have to eat meat really… or at least not much. How can you watch that documentary on pork, know that that is pretty much whats going on and turn a blind eye to it? I think its basic empathy and just saying well ‘i like bacon so yeah’ is in my opinion wrong and i can see freleys point of view to an extent. In my opinion, at least these people believe in something. i see my money as my vote, henceforth im ethical as to what i do with it. free range eggs became mainstream for exactly this reason… although im pretty sure woolies and coles lobbied the state to change the definition of the word ‘free range’ at some point. I dont eat beef because the amount of resources that go into growing a cow are pretty crazy. Think about how much grass that cow needs to eat before it is harvested and how much space it requires. think of how many vegies you could grow in the same space with the same amount of water. lamb? comon, think about what your doing here… but that being said i think most vegans are total loons. People like freeley should be advocating for the destruction of lions and tigers, as lions and tigers murder other animals in truly horrific style. if we humans are smart enough to not harm animals, then we should be stopping the animals that harm other animals from existing. Freeley also kills birds when she flies in aeroplanes so she is a hypocrite.

feminism is one of the biggest problems in society today and although there is some valid historical basis to it, the liberation of the human female from their biology is in my opinion largely a product of the technological advance of humans. sufferagettes where never machine gunned on the streets, unlike the men that where drafted and sent off to war to die just a few years earlier. as technology has advanced, women have advanced as well, however now its going way too far and is pretty blatantly anti male in many respects. i view feminism in its modern context as a tool of the social marxists that really isnt doing society a great deal of good at this time. its screwing up gender dynamics and is wrecking women and men for each other. i see it as low frequency, lowest common denominator idiocy, just like a lot of the the race baiting ‘is this racist’ stuff getting around that is being perpetuated pretty much as a distraction, divide and conquer strategy by the power elite. idiots love this kind of bicker and beef… it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious

anyway

I agree with steven friar. gods a maniac

good show… keep making them

By r0Kb3B0p on 2015 07 14 - 21:05:32
From the entry 'Addictions, obsessions, fanaticisms and distractions'.

Really truthfull.

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:56:36
From the entry 'Defending your personal health choices'.

Yeah sure authority aware.

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:28:55
From the entry 'What is the future of Australia?'.

Stay tuned for more rules here as usually is the case!!!

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:21:50
From the entry 'Mass media disinformation and brainwashing dissected'.

Almost two months since the last broadcast! How the hell can you expect people to donate when you don’t broadcast? Looks like the ship of truth has sprung a leak. This broadcast has been part of my life almost since its inception…it is one of the few alternative news sources that hasn’t gone off the deep end, by dilution credible information with crap e.g. Fairdinkum Radio and Info Wars…Pittard started FR with some incredibly interesting material, but then he flipped…Today he sounds like a fundamentalist preacher, the Christian equivalent to a Fanatical Islamist. As an atheist, I think he’s really ###### up a potentially good show. As for Info Wars, all they would have to do to improve is dump Alex Jones, what a shit-for-brains. I reckon Jones and Pittard are allowed to proliferate, because they’re so stupid and harmless. I suppose they have some entertainment value, and along with David Icke are living examples of how low the alternative media has sunk. Truth News Radio is, or should I say was, way ahead of them all ahead of them all in terms of credibility How sad that its come to this.

By Eugene on 2015 06 28 - 17:28:56
From the entry 'Introducing Internet.org: Mark Zuckerberg's free 'private' internet which will soon be rolled out to 4 billion+ people'.

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