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November 23, 2011, part 1 of 1.
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By Hereward Fenton

After two years, the climategate scandal has erupted once again, with a new tranche of embarrassing emails from the world's top climate researchers now spreading virally across the net. The release of these emails seems timed to overshadow the upcomng Durban conference in the same way the previous release preceded the COP 2009 conference.


Chris Smith speaks with Shadow Climate Change Minister Greg Hunt about the leaked emails casting doubt on the science of climate change.

The climate science establishment  has predictably hit back with a swift and savage rebuttal:

Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Centre at Penn State University and a scientist whose name appears in several of the emails, dismissed the latest email release as “truly pathetic”. He instead said the hackers were “agents doing the dirty bidding of the fossil fuel industry know they can’t contest the fundamental science of human-caused climate change. So they have instead turned to smear, innuendo, criminal hacking of websites, and leaking out-of-context snippets of personal emails in their effort to try to confuse the public about the science and thereby forestall any action to combat this critical threat. Its right out of the tried-and-true playbook of climate change denial.”

In tonight's show Josh Jackson joins us to mull over this news and other matters of public importance.

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climategate 2, as big a yawnfest as climategate 1!

By sleepy on 2011 11 26 - 17:10:57

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/groping-2gb-host-chris-smith-loses-job-family/story-e6frewt0-1225809729558

You’re using right wing media scum from 2GB to perpetuate a non –story!?

Your NOT a scientist, YOU don’t have any scientific training.
YOU can’t comprehend what the scientists are telling YOU and the rest of the world.

Because it goes above your head, it is BEYOND YOUR RANGE OF UNDERSTANDING/COMPREHENSION you label it as some sort of conspiracy to tax people for a one world government.

Get REAL!

I suggest you read the IPCC reports (http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm) before commenting further on this topic; not quoting some drongo has-been shock jocks to prove your deluded point.

What can Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Centre do with a pack of morons but rebut the bullshit lies.

By Ali on 2011 11 30 - 12:47:42

So what are your qualifications Ali? On the table, now! And please refrain from kindergarten level name-calling in future, thanks.

By Hereward Fenton on 2011 12 02 - 15:54:51

The best evidence that we are really on to something is when people like Ali represent the opposing viewpoint. All Ali offers is ad hominems, appeals to authority and venomous character smears against his opponents.

For me that is proof that Ali and his embattled crew have lost the argument. Bravo!

By Hereward Fenton on 2011 12 02 - 16:02:46

I have studies physics and chemistry & math’s to university level.
I know the scientific method, it is a method developed over many years by very smart people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method  ).

Scientist of today are “Standing on the shoulders of giants”, as they say.


Everyone’s heard of Einstein’s “*theory* of relativity”, even though it explains the real world to us and has enabled man to develop the atomic bomb and put satellites into space, it does not explain everything. Until someone comes along with a better theory it’s the best explanation we have to represent the real world.

The string theory proponents have failed to demonstrate they can provide a binding universal explanation from the sub atomic level to the macro world of galaxies and the universe,& thus haven’t knocked of Einstein’s theory.

In Science observable measurements are taken, a hypothesis produced, peers scrutinize the data & hypothesis & conclusion. (http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml )

With global warming and other science, Scientist all over the world picks apart the evidence published by their peers in their field of research.

Maybe its because they all want some glorious write up in the scientific journals, or for the fun of it, they may want the recognition of being the one who pulled apart some important paper or for some other self serving reason etc .

When the scrutinizing is done and what’s left over is still credible and can be replicated (in modeling or otherwise) it is held to be correct until such time someone can prove it wrong with more evidence.

Remember cold fusion discovery @ room temperature?

“It was the most notorious scientific experiment in recent memory - in 1989, the two men who claimed to have discovered the energy of the future were condemned as imposters and exiled by their peers. Can it possibly make sense to reopen the cold fusion investigation? A surprising number of researchers already have.”

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion.html

When scammers try to pull a fast one to fool the scientific community they will get found out and exposed to be the fraud charlatans they are.

But this is done by **PEER scientist** , not some wally “Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley” or 2GB right wing “pay for comment” shock jocks with an AGENDA, or sell-out paid-up scientist on the fossil fuel payroll.

By ali on 2011 12 02 - 18:03:53

The lying rodent john howard has thrown his support behind pilmers new - “book”

some very learned responses at this link.
http://www.aussmc.org/2011/12/rapid-reaction-ian-plimer-launches-new-book-on-climate-change-–-experts-respond/

it may come to pass that a tax on carbon, is in fact nothing more than a scheme for the rich to get richer, and a lousy way to cobat climate change, but to pretend that means that the climate isnt changing, is laughable in the face of all the evidence.

its as a ridiculous proposition as it is to say that all you need to bring a 47 storey steel framed skyscraper down at freefall ecceleration to collapse into its own footprint is a box of matches.

it might not be impossible that all the worlds experts on climate are in collusion to present a fraud to the world - youd have to ask why though, but i doubt, any amount of cash incentives, or other forms of persuasion, could convince mother nature to lend her hand on the scheme by way of record breaking extreme weather events in everything from droughts, floods, cyclones etc and everything in between.

By sunshine on 2011 12 13 - 11:41:06

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Always love listening to jesse. He is right on the mark

By Demi freeman on 2014 04 17 - 00:16:37
From the entry 'An in-depth chat with Governor Jesse Ventura'.

I find it hard to believe some still take these wiki articles seriously, most of it is opinion posted as fact, snopes.com uses the BBC as its source, for those of us who are media savvy we know not to trust these sources without first doing some homework, hence why people listen to this program. Wouldn’t it be better to know Kevin Annett exists, rubbish or not rather than not knowing this is going on at all, most of the listeners to this show can discern information and make their own informed decision, i think it is better to be presented with the information rather than casting it out as rubbish based on a few baseless articles.

ITCCS is very active publicly and many people involved in it have come now come forward, Joshua Lemmens and his group in western Canada, the Belgium network around Toos Niejenhuis, the Italian network around Francesco Zanardi. All of their interviews are posted at http://www.itccs.org peopl,e just need to do a bit of looking. The ITCCS isnt just Kevin Annett given groups like ITCCS Coventry are publishing their own newspaper now and organizing courts through the midlands of the UK.
No-one can really know who is who in a world full of deception however we should try to either support, or, if not at-least investigate thoroughly before rubbishing those who are trying to create real change

By Leah on 2014 04 08 - 12:28:37
From the entry 'Introducing the International Common Law Court of Justice'.

International Common Law Court of Justice? Oh please. That site is merely a blog of one mans ramblings.

Can’t believe you posted this utter garbage here.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/International_Tribunal_into_Crimes_of_Church_and_State
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/popebenedict.asp

By Andy on 2014 04 06 - 23:14:42
From the entry 'Introducing the International Common Law Court of Justice'.

International…..Court? Look at Hereward pushing global government.

By Not Surprised on 2014 03 31 - 23:09:43
From the entry 'Introducing the International Common Law Court of Justice'.

An even better Web site for the latest NIPCC report is http://climatechangereconsidered.org/

By Tom Harris on 2014 03 08 - 16:51:03
From the entry 'Professor Bob Carter on the latest NIPCC report'.

Dear Hereward
Some very good “logical” facts dug up!
You mentioned Bali Bombings in your podcast - Pls have a look back at that “war on terror’ bolstering example and particularly Keelty and the AFP’s role!

By Davo on 2014 03 04 - 10:35:08
From the entry 'Schapelle Corby is a political prisoner'.

This is not on any particular issue posted here but for those interested in global geopolitics go to http://tarpley.net/ Webster Tarpley is an historian and economist. He has a weekly radio show called world crisis radio. He has written a number of books and travels both nationally and internationally to give talks and has also debated his opponents on issues like 911 and gives an analysis on ww1 and ww2 ,how they were brought about.Another great author in my opinion is Ellen Brown who wrote Web of Debt http://www.webofdebt.com/ and The Public Bank Solution both books a must read for anyone wondering how our money works and the solution.

By Rob on 2014 02 21 - 12:36:53
From the entry 'Deconstructing mainstream news coverage on Syria with Mimi Al Laham'.

Josh Anonymous,
The last couple of months seem to have proven my point that this site is a waste of electrons. Your claim that anonymity doesn’t matter seems to be dispututed by Hereward Fenton in his reaction the “Anonymous” group and he then goes on to name a Josh Jackson, which I suspect we can surmise is you. If you are not concerned with names, do you require names and qualifications of those who are presented as “experts” on subjects with which you disagree?
I wonder if you have been able to do any research and discover that the moisture you claim is carried aloft by aircraft in their fuel is actualy there in the atmospherewhen the aircraft passes by? No, well I suggets you could put on your thinking cap and ponder.
LEONARD CLAMPETT

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 11 05 - 17:09:31
From the entry 'Chemtrails Revisited'.

Leonard Clampett,

Non-existence cannot be proven. Known fact.
http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/146-proving-non-existence

Fortunately, science does explain persistant contrails, so there is no need for an alternative (and much less plausible) explanation.

Regarding the video you linked, please pick one topic that you think should be discussed first. Give the time into the video for a reference.

Allow me to treat claims by Dane Wigington with the utmost skepticism. Recently he tried to measure sunlight UV values and failed badly - like on many issues before:
http://metabunk.org/threads/debunked-dane-wigingtons-claims-that-uv-is-off-the-charts.2097/

Wrong interpretation/calculation of measurements - again:
http://metabunk.org/threads/debunked-dane-wigingtons-claims-that-uv-is-off-the-charts.2097/#post-59145

BTW, why are you so obsessed with names? I could not care less about your identity. It has no relevance - either a claim is correct or it is not, no matter who made it.

By Josh on 2013 08 22 - 03:31:25
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Josh Anonymous,

Rather than hiding behind anonymity, please advise who you are, what your experience is and what factual evidence you have to rebut the speaker in this video referred to below. As a denier you are claiming something does not exist, so it is up to you to prove your claim. As chemtrails exist, and can be seen by competent observers, I believe you have set yourself an impossible task. However, try to get on with it and prove your case.

http://projectcamelotportal.com/blog/1792-dane-wiggington-geoengineering-activist

Cheers,

LEONARD CLAMPETT
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Tel: 0412 068 186

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 08 21 - 08:54:33
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

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