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Chemtrails brownshirts renew threats against TNRA

18 October 2012 | Permalink | comments: 18
By Hereward Fenton

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Categories: [ Anonymous, Chemtrails ]

I have once again received an ominous threat, allegedly from the group "Anonymous", and once again because of my sceptical response to claims about the existence of a global aeorsol spraying campaign known as "chemtrails", and because I insist that such claims must be supported by evidence in order to be taken seriously.

These latest threats follow on the heels of threats made last week:

I hope you know about zombie trojans and how to check for them. Buckle up boys the ride is about to get bumpy

So, because I follow the basic principals of empirical research and science, I am now branded an enemy by so called "hacktivists" who hide behind anonymity, preach about freedom of speech, and terrorise independent blog editors.

The most ironic and Orwellian part of all this is that, while on the one hand they threaten to shut down or "deface" my website, on the other hand they accuse me of censorship, all because a few posts have been deleted and a few IP addresses have blocked. They of course neglect to mention that  I have allowed a mega thread on the subject to continue for many months, and that I have asked people from both sides of the argument to actually come on my show and have a debate.

If this is the calibre of the frontline of chemtrail activists, then what does that tell you about the whole movement? Think about it.

Here is the latest message, in full:

Hello truthnews.com.au,

 We are anonymous and you should by now realise your troubles are much bigger than any single issue like "Chemtrailers". Until now "media" has been exempt from attack. As exemplified by upcoming actions towards Julian Assange the leakpimp, many have reconsidered this position.

Is hacktivism and distributed denial of service violence? What then a temporary defacing or data theft? When you posted onto Facebook "I'm screwed" & "They have stolen all my data" with the thread "Thugs have threatened to shut down TNRA" was that a lie, request, prediction or mistake? Time will tell.

Truth News censorship is bad for truthful debate. You censor others but are outraged it could happen to you. We found amusement in you advocating get off face book 'via' face book. Webmaster excuses aside, it's double standards.

Do you understand the difference between physical violence & digital activism? Are you ready for a lesson? You would be foolish to underestimate the importance of this message. Our rage is greater than your outrage! Stand corrected and retract, otherwise all your bases are belong to us.

We Are Anonymous
We Are Legion
We Do Not Forgive
We Do Not Forget

Comments

I should point out that my offer to engage in live debate on radio still stands.

Adults discuss things and use language to communicate, but many in this debate seem to be suffering from arrested emotional development.

I challenge them to grow up.

By Hereward Fenton on 2012 10 18 - 03:48:05

Wow some people are such Fascists! Why dont they go after a real threat like monsanto! instead this dick who pretends to be part of Anonymous threatens a great guy like Hereward.

 

By petra on 2012 10 18 - 04:08:25

” and once again because of my sceptical response to claims about the existence of a global aeorsol spraying campaign known as “chemtrails”, and because I insist that such claims must be supported by evidence in order to be taken seriously.”

thats not why they said those things..  not even close! - its because of your hypocrisy, your lies and your censorship idiot! - and that i call you an idiot, is not being insulting - its stating a fact, because if you think your fooling anyone but .. well maybe petra… then that is demonstrably idiotic!

a radio debate!? really? wow!

i dont need to debate an unqualified self proclaimed arbiter of truthiness to know what i see when i look up in the sky isnt normal.

you say there is no evidence of chemtrails.. again.. more idiocy! look at all the links that have been posted in your stupid article.. google the word chemtrail.. look at the thousands of videos from concerned people all over the world! and yet… you have not offerred any proof that chemtrails do not exist - except to offer your worthless opinion that sometimes contrails linger..


guess what!? that aint proof!

if you believe that these threats are baseless and empty.. as you have said, then why even bother to write about them.. lol - its because you have sweet stuff all else to write about eh? - i believe you to be a subversive, the hypocrisy and chutzpah is unbelievable - that you post under the banner of truth.

you need to look up the definition one day.

fascist… brownshirts… lol - priceless

By meagain on 2012 10 18 - 09:29:28

im yet to watch the What in the World… & Why in the world are They Spraying doco series, but intend to. i assume you have? im sure there must be SOME evidence in there somewhere. so i cant outright deny the existence of a chemtrail agenda, although it wouldnt surprise me. geo-engineering in the form of cloud seeding etc has been going on openly for decades.

but to say that “sometimes contrail linger” (as per meagain) is just an opinion is absurd. look up at the sky. see those natural clouds “lingering”? they’re no different to a contrail (except not formed by planes), just water vapour in the atmosphere. maybe a contrail will contain more jet exhaust.

peace

By Davo on 2012 10 18 - 11:17:22

Davo..

“but to say that “sometimes contrail linger” (as per meagain) is just an opinion is absurd”

im not saying that sometimes contrails linger is just an opinion at all, im saying that herewards unqualified opinion that the fact that sometimes contrails may linger, is some sort of evidence against the existence of chemtrails.

he continually asks for proof, while ignoring the evidence staring him in the face. there is as much evidence in support of chemtrails as there is in support of the fact that 9/11 could not have happened as we are being told.

hereward is happy enough to say its not unreasonable to question 911… but to question geo engineering is too much? fair dinkum.. thats hypocrisy 101.

you should definitely watch those two documentaries, as should you pay attention when you next see planes laying crisscross pattens across the skies, that end up turning what was a clear blue sky, into an overcast haze.

be prepared for hereward to abuse you, call you a troll, delete your comments and block your ip for simply disagreeing with his opinion though

By meagain on 2012 10 18 - 11:28:30

Seriousley Enough of the Divide and Conquor,....  hasnt one seen the clips what in the world are they spraying and Why in the world are they spraying?  i suggest one interviews the makers of those films one may change ones mind

endeavour to perserver

By pbd62 on 2012 10 18 - 19:48:51

divide and conquer… exactly.. tried and true tactics of the untrustworthy there..

good idea re the interview pbd62 - hereward dont have the testicular fortitude though to even ask, but i doubt theyd be bothered with him.. as insignificant as he and his show is.

again this morning, a big X in the otherwise clear sky, and the only white stuff is that whats coming out of aircraft, leaving trails from horizon to horizon, that are spreading out across the sky..

no planes showing up on http://www.flightradar24.com/ either..

out here in the country where i live, on a good day, you might get about 3 commercial flights go over us.. already today, not even 9 am.. just counting the trails, theres been more than ten.

fenton can believe what he wants, but when he argues his points using the same tactics as those that argue the official account of 911 is true, ie; ad hominem attacks, fanatics, brownshirts, dare i say “conspiracy theorists” - well, his hypocrisy speaks volumes, and it makes me wonder, why, like the 911 myth huggers, thay continue to argue fervently against all the facts staring them in the face

whats their argument against chemtrails again? ohhh thats right..


“sometimes contrails may linger”  pfffft

By meagain on 2012 10 19 - 08:35:38

if hereward is for the truth.. why would he be so against people aring their concerns about chemtrails?

people all over the world are rightly worried..

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/health/nervous-system-damage-from-the-sky-304997.html

and there is a growing awareness.. as is there regarding the BS surrounding 911..

if there is no such thing as chemtrails ( despite govt admissions that they are “considering” weather modification, and despite the quest for the powers that be to “own the weather” ) then its no skin of fentons nose if chemtrail advocates end up looking silly..

just let them get on with it.. does he argue against how some people believe in non-existent gods? or does he argue that many believe they have guardian angels? no.. so why would he care if people express their views about chemtrails.. if he doesnt believe in them.. why not just ignore these people?

the reason is.. because he must have an agenda.. and that is obviously, through this website - to spread dis information, mis information, and obfuscation.

now.. if there is such a chemtrailing exercise underway.. then we all have a great deal to be concerned about.

does anyone really wish to gamble their health, the environment, their future on the unqualified obstinate opinion of fenton, vs the millions of concerned people worldwide including thousands of qualified experts… ( when it can all be proven beyond all reasonable doubt anyway just by looking up when they are spraying )

thats not a bet id be willing to take - not at those odds.

 

By meagain on 2012 10 19 - 09:00:52

I disagree with your sceptical views about the chemtrails BUT I defend your right to speak out about the issue. What’s wrong with these anonymous assholes don’t they understand the concept of Freedom of Speech, is it too much for their tiny intellects to comprehend or is there another agenda here ? How dare they make threats like this, they’re behaving like the Fascists they claim to be fighting.

By Tony on 2012 10 19 - 17:03:11

Alan Watt disagrees too, he makes sense,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLpj0JSm5w4&feature=g-all-u

Please look at it again, there’s more to the chemtrails phenomenon than dissipation times, soil/water analysis, new diseases, blood tests, weird weather after the spray etc etc Scientific investigation indicates that it exists.

By Tony on 2012 10 19 - 17:40:28

Lesson 1 DARKWEB IRONY
When you were advised to buckle up you assumed an attack just because you were also asked if you understood virses #FAIL.  Did you stop & think for a second, buckle up was a reference to just how busy you seem to becoming with your new pet topic. All your bases belong to us is actually a victory proclamation as 4 of 4 of your hot topics are comments belong to us.  If you think that’s fake find a real anon and ask them, you might want to try outside facebook and I suggest the IRC as a good place to start.
Violence and temporary DDOS are very different even if you disagree and we are most pleased you have provided an opportunity to advance this position.
“We will continue to attack those who embrace censorship” even if it means ultimately giving some a small albeit temporary taste of their own medicine.

As this concludes lesson 1, we hope lesson 2 is less problematic but that will be dependent on your ability to absorb what you are actually being told not what you imagine you are being told. 

Expect us, cos we having way to much #LULZ to go anywhere else right now.

P.S.  A few of the boys want to thank you for the new meme for our little crew.

By Fake Psychopath Brownshirt on 2012 10 19 - 18:36:19

I have listened to Hereward for many years and, for the most part, agree with his opinions and comments.  He has interviewed a variety of people over the years on a variety of topics and I have found him to be most fair, balanced and courteous. 
The fact that I have a differing opinion than Hereward regarding ‘chemtrails’ does not mean I suddenly launch an attack in to his credibility and stance on truth.  Like others I may be rather annoyed that the responses Hereward gives to believers of the chemtrail phenomenon can at times be similar to the manner in which 9 / 11 truth seekers are attacked.  What you have to understand though is that a free world means Hereward has every right to put his stance on chemtrails.  The fact that he does stand for truth - and we each have our own truth - means he is entitled to his truth - a belief that others may find unacceptable, frustrating and incredible because of what may be apparent to many as most credible evidence of the existence of chemtrails.
I frequent several websites regularly - Hereward’s being one of them.  None of these websites agree with me on every issue.  I find it easier for one’s sanity and calm to converse on different subjects with those of like mind.  I have understood for a long time Hereward’s stance on chemtrails but I always return to this site because, quite frankly, he seems to be a most decent person with a genuine interest in the human condition, not to mention he is very easy to listen to and is a most skilled interviewer.  Chemtrails is only one issue and there are many other issues that I believe are equal in importance which are covered by Hereward.
Best of everything, Hereward.  Keep up your excellent work.  It is most appreciated.  From

By Whiteout on 2012 10 21 - 17:19:42

I have listened to hereward for many years, and now believe him to be nothing but a perpetuator of spin.

of course chemtrails is only one topic.. but hereward also wants you to believe that a plane disappeared into this hole.

physically IMPOSSIBLE.

that comes from a page where a lot of assumptions are made, but noticeably, he has absolutely no evidence that can withstand scrutiny that proves his position beyond all reasonable doubt.

for example, he says there is wreckage there from flight 77, and states it as if its a fact..

the fact is.. there is absolutely NO evidence that has been matched to ANY of those planes said to have crashed that day, and the engine parts are said to RESEMBLE jet engine parts, but after a little investigation, it is revealed that the engine parts shown, come from a completely different plane than that said to have crashed.

now.. for simply pointing out such inconsistencies in his articles, and other blatant hypocrisy, he has deleted my comments, and repeatedly banned my ip.

“the fact that he does stand for the truth” you say.. well hardly, because its not the truth unless its the whole truth.

By meagain on 2012 10 22 - 09:42:14

meagain:
You need to take some power back and be firm in your beliefs without going to continual lengths to criticise Hereward for his views.
You have the power to not listen to Hereward.  You seem to be getting yourself in quite an anxious state because Hereward may have differing views and believe the truth lies elsewhere.
I think you put your points you have made in previous posts credibly and I do agree with some of your comments but, if you believe Hereward is a ‘perpetuator of spin’ (and I certainly do not) why do you keep listening, reading and posting on his site?  Perhaps you might like to create your own site to converse on matters you are passionate about.  You write fluently, with ease and passion and you seem very knowledgeable on the subjects you have engaged in so you would possibly gather quite a following.  I think your energy would be much better directed in that way. 
I for one can not bear to hear Julia Gillard speak (she is most definitely a ‘perpetuator of spin’) so I turn the radio or television off whenever she comes on.  May I suggest you take the same course of action regarding Hereward as I do not understand why you would frequent this site if Hereward’s views are so distressing to you.

By Whiteout on 2012 10 22 - 14:42:36

@ whiteout..

“You need to take some power back and be firm in your beliefs without going to continual lengths to criticise Hereward for his views.”

respectfully, i dont NEED to do anything.

you also can not know that perhaps i dont already have quite a following where i might express myself elsewhere.

i wholeheartedly disagree with you in regards to my writing abilities as i know damn well i fail to express myself adequately, at least to my satisfaction, and far from getting myself into an anxious state, im simple stating a few simple facts.

such as .. fenton says the government is lying regarding 911. except maybe, for the story about a plane crashing into the pentagon.

considering he has absolutely no evidence, nothing, zip, nada, that supports his theory beyond all reasonable doubt, he suggests we should believe the same lying government that gives us total BS in regard to the rest of the story…


why dont you ask your mate fenton to post one piece of credible evidence that can withstand scrutiny that shows why its unreasonable to suggest flight 77 did not hit the pentagon..

he will have nothing..

my problems lie not with the fact that fenton has a different opinion to me, but with the fact that he censors and deletes my posts simply for disagreeing with him.

theres as much evidence to suggest the pentagon story is something other than what we are being told, as much as there is to suggest the rest of the 911 fable be a fantasy, but hypocritically, fenton says we should believe certain, impossible, unproven parts of it..

fact is../ the fbi states that of the 80 odd videos they confiscated within minutes of the pentacon attack, NONE of them show an airliner..

and nothing they have released .. shows any evidence..

and quite hypocritically they state that any evidence of an aircraft was totally destroyed, they can not link any wreckage to the plane, somehow titanium engines melted away to nothing..  BUT! - there was enough body parts to enable dna identification of all the victims..

lol… no luggage, no bodies.. no wreckage proven to come from said plane.. a hole that it is impossible for a plane to fit into..  honestly, fenton must believe all his readers to be total idiots. i know im not.. but you can believe whatever you like.

the reason i dont “turn him off” - is the reason why every other person in an honest quest for the truth keeps pointing out inconsistensies in propaganda when they see it..
because its the right thing to do.

http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/09/30/official-911-propaganda-embraced-by-truthers-who-say-that-a-plane-hit-the-pentagon/

By meagain on 2012 10 22 - 17:18:16

as with the chemtrails -

i dont care if anyone has a different opinion than me, and my opinion changes often depending on the available evidence, the intellectual integrity of such, the survivability of scrutiny, and common sense.

to me, the fact that we are being sprayed with something, is as obvious as the fact that the wtc was demolished with some sort of controlled demolition..

that is, all i have to do to determine the truth, is use my own eyes.

i watch videos of the twin towers exploding ferociously, and instinctively know that is not a collapse,  just as i understand building 7 could fall in such a fashion without some sort of help.

if fenton, or the government, wish to convince the world that there is no such thing as chemtrails, or that a plane did in fact hit the pentagon.. then its really quite simple…


post some evidence.

http://physics911.net/omholt/

and until you do, then stop being so against people who have legitimate, not unreasonable questions.

By meagain on 2012 10 22 - 17:34:44

Touche Meagain, very well said.  Seems some don’t understand this is not just about chemtrails and I’m so pleased you are changing that. Keep up the outstanding contribution.  I would like to add a few little other points.  Why should you be forced, banned and asked to leave just for calling out people Like Hereward on his sites and opinions inconsistencies.  It was not you who wrote a blog as if you were an authority on a subject and then blocked people for disagreeing with your opinion.

I would also like to point out that Hereward is not fully to blame for his approach for he has been schooled by some very questionable individuals such as outlined in this article that explains his attitude to the Pentagon flyover & subsequent problems with the group like CIT.

http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/07/16/more-absurd-arguments-on-the-pentagon-propaganda-team-sets-its-sights-on-griffin/

Those fools ignore the fact that the division caused by excluding certain theories for fear of ridicule has caused far bigger problems than considering them would ever have.  He and his cronies responsible should watch out when they point the finger because there is always 3 pointing back at you, its hypocritical to call others fanatical when your the biggest fanatical skeptic of the bunch. Should all 9/11 truthers be judged by this small propaganda team.

Hereward says that is having a blog or a website is an indication one is intelligent.  How do kids graduate without a blog? 

It would not rule out that something else has not occurred in the background because Hereward now seems content to be back on FB covering issues like naked news clones. Maybe he had a brain fart and decided to leave well enough alone in-lieu of spending every waking minute preparing for cyber attacks & defending a ridiculous position with statements.

To bad as I was really staring to enjoy watching things unfold.

By Lowlife Psychopath Brownshirts of Australia on 2012 10 22 - 18:50:43

Two things we can learn from this site:

Chemtrails are real and Israel did 9/11.

 

By wildstar on 2012 10 24 - 11:56:50

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By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 09:31:03
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

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By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 09:28:20
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

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By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 09:19:23
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Leonard Clampett,

the video you linked is a really old conglomerate of all sorts of claims that have been debunked ad nauseam.

What do you think is the ultimate proof for the existence of chemtrails?

Why should we have to assume there is such a thing like chemtrails? How are they different from contrails?

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From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

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By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 09 - 16:31:36
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

If you open the link you will see the reference to chemtrail area forecasts. The other link I wish to post is refused by the “Truth news” which claims it may be SPAM and “will be moderated”, probably because it mentions chemtrails in the link. However, I will try again by separating the words. http://www.chemtrail forecast.com/main.html

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From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Leonard Clampett,

about the link you posted - where is the relevance in the discussion about persistent contrails?

By Josh on 2013 03 13 - 08:50:08
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

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By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 13 - 08:44:15
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Leonard Clampett,

after you consistently refused to accept the fact that fuel combustion generates more water than the equivalent of fuel burnt - even when a Qantas pilot confirmed this - I am highly skeptical of your “aviation life experience”. I hope you understand that.

So there are more explanations needed before your claims can be taken seriously.


1. How did you determine that the ambient conditions at the upper troposphere were not conducive to the formation of contrails this summer?

2. How did you determine the causal connection between trails and lack of rain?

3. How did you determine the altitude of the low trail that you saw? How can you be sure it was below the cumulus? Why not above (remember: 3D viewing up to 160m max)? Any pictures maybe?


If you want to do REAL research on the Internet, I strongly suggest to repeat every search query that you issue with the word “debunked” appended. That is the way to do proper research because you see both sides and their arguments. Don’t just fall for sensational claims.

Unfortunately, the Internet is loaded with bunk.

By Josh on 2013 03 02 - 18:06:10
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Josh Anonymous,

You apparently do not do much research. Notice how, over the Eastern Australian summer, there have been many chemtrails coincident with usual weather patterns where obvious rain should have been the outcome had the chemtrails not been laid, and it was not, and this during the season when ambient conditions are not conducive to the formation of contrails. Chemtrails are entirely different to what you term “persistent contrails” as you would know if you had sufficient aviation life experience. You may try to explain how there was recently, and I have observed the same many times before, a chemtrail below a layer of fair weather Cu at 8,000 ft and how this could possibly occur without the laws of physics and thermodynamics being turned on their head. I suggest that you do an Internet search for the activities of Bill Gates and geoengineering.

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 02 - 13:51:00
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

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