Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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Contrails over London in 1944

Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.

All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.

If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.

However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.

The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.

There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!

Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.

CONTRAIL SCIENCE

For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.

Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.

After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.

Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
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TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.

But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.

That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.

If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.

Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.

Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.

Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?

Think about it.

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Would you accept an invitation to such a Geoengineering “Public Consultation”, Josh?

Are they going to secure that public consent to planetary spraying of the upper atmosphere with reflective particles? When at the same time major lobbies are successfully propagating climate change scepticism???

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 09 - 23:56:55

Wayne Hall,

so I must assume that you just accepted what you read about chemtrails, just like you did when you posted the link to the “smoking gun” which was just a software flaw.

Did you ever check the claim that normal contrails dissolve in minutes whereas chemtrails linger for hours? Did you try to verify that?

By Josh on 2012 10 10 - 00:03:33

Wayne Hall, Don’t worry about Josh or Hereward they are being fed a diet of lies. If you want to see the growing list of banned people and why its happeniing take a look at this. As I myself am banned be aware your silly little blocks do nothing except harm yourself.
http://www.facebook.com/horus.sorus?fref=ts

By A banned individual on 2012 10 10 - 05:44:49

Ban as many people as you like but your time is coming sooner than you realize. Horus has nothing to do with this message expect as one of the banned he was happy to host the links for us. Hereward as a computer whatever I hope you know about zombie trojans and how to check for them. Buckle up boys the ride is about to get bumpy. LOL
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=113579592130606&set=p.113579592130606&type=1&theater;

By The nameless one on 2012 10 10 - 05:56:38

Have you really been banned from this forum??? How is it that you are posting now, then? I don’t think that on-line threats and hacking is the way to counter the Hereward/Josh attitude. If there is anything sincere about them, let them have a public discussion between themselves on climate change, where their positions seem to be diametrically opposite. That would be more to the point, and might lead further than repetition of the “chemtrails are contrails” mantra.

Josh could also say whether he thinks geoengineering “proposals” of planetary solar radiation management are something he would subscribe to. Because he believes that anthropogenic climat change, presumably in the form of global warming, is a reality, he may do (like the people in the “Public Consultation”). But would the climate change sceptic Hereward be of the same view? How could he be? Why don’t Hereward and Josh talk to each other publicly about subjects like this? That might break the deadlock here and not make it seem necessary for “our side” to resort to unacceptable threats.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 10 - 10:12:21

Yes Wayne my IP address has really been banned from posting comments!!! How to post when banned is pretty easy when you are a certified TCP/IP systems engineer. Examples of methods even non technical users could use are a VPN or TOR connection. You yourself say discussion is useless with these guys. As for threats. I don’t think so bro as trojans and bot infections can be picked up by nothing more than clicking links. I’m not threatening anyone just stating what I think is obvious. It makes sense to me that if you block and as many people as these guys and act like truth police then you will get repercussions. A partial list of others whom have been banned is in the previous post by the nameless one. I hope those two TNA stooges enjoy arguing amongst themselves. Good Buy.

By really been banned on 2012 10 10 - 11:18:32

I didn’t know they were blocking people.

In fact it is a waste of time arguing. The only point is that apparently there are certain numbers of people following what is said here.

911 Truth is a vital subject, though, and it is not necessary for activists to be OK on all fronts for communication with them to be kept up as much as possible.

Julian Assange, for example, is not OK on a number of fronts, including 911 Truth. But there seems to be a genuinely subversive dynamic to what he is doing.

I think one should try to find out in what particular way activists compromise, or are comprosmised. Then it becomes more possible to know what they do and what they can’t do.

Still, yes, blocking people is bad news, if there are no real threats to order, as with swearing or not respecting the rules of civility and rationality.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 10 - 12:00:18

Wayne Hall said:

“apparently there are certain numbers of people following what is said here”

What indication do you have about that?

To all “chemtrail stooges”:

Refusing to provide evidence for extraordinary claims is not a waste of time. It would give you credibility.

Just claiming something and then sticking fingers in the ear and calling “blah blah” when asked about evidence is not giving the impression of intelligence.

Wayne Hall, would you object to be labelled a critical thinker?

By Josh on 2012 10 10 - 20:08:21

The indication about the numbers of people following is that on the Home Page of this site, this thread is listed as the most popular.

Once again, I am impressed by Josh’s pretension that he has chemtrails activists best interests at heart and that it is in his power to bestow or withhold “credibility”.

Why not accept frankly the status of enemy, with whatever that may or may not entail? You are an enemy, not only my enemy, but the enemy of thousands, of millions. Do you feel that you are as easily identifiable as I am? Do you want to be anonymous? Or are you happy for people to know who you are?

As for questions, and so on, it is your turn to answer my last question, which was whether you would accept an invitation to a Geoengineering “Public Consultation”. Perhaps it would be beneath your dignity to be among such ignorant people. But it is not beneath your dignity to do what you are doing.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 10 - 20:43:08

Wayne Hall said:

“I am impressed by Josh’s pretension that he has chemtrails activists best interests at heart”.

Where did you find that? Not my statement.

About credibility: do you say that claims without evidence are credible? I’m certainly not alone in dismissing this.

Did you check the claims about chemtrails? Did you ever consider alternative explanations?

By Josh on 2012 10 10 - 21:07:17

No, I didn’t.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 10 - 21:13:18

Morgellons fibre in chemtrail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxfFZ6E3Kvk&feature=related

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 11 - 03:07:15

Wayne Hall,

where is the evidence that chemtrails exist?

Where is the evidence for a connection between skin problems and trails in the sky?

Two unchecked claims in four words ...

By Josh on 2012 10 11 - 04:35:56

Where is the evidence that your father was really your father?

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 11 - 11:56:50

Wayne Hall said:

“Where is the evidence that your father was really your father?”

Don’t you think that’s pretty lame?

Besides, I did not claim that. You are claiming that chemtrails are a reality and that the Morgellons syndrome is caused by them.

By Josh on 2012 10 11 - 13:18:54

I have asked a number of questions and made a number of informational postings, but the only thing I have claimed is that the European Union wants to tax aviation for raising global temperatures while at the same time preparing the ground for public acceptance of subsidies to airlines for lowering global temperatures through their emissions. Something which you do not dispute, while at the same time refusing to see any connection with the chemtrails discussion.

You say I have to prove things to you. I say you have to prove things to me. Namely that there is no such connection. Is a discussion possible on this basis??

If not, who is going to throw in the towel first and withdraw? Please try to avoid being repetitive.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 11 - 14:58:15

Wayne Hall said:

“I have asked a number of questions and made a number of informational postings, but the only thing I have claimed is that the European Union wants to tax aviation [...]”

If you post a link without commenting it in any way, it’s your claim. If that is not intended, you can always clarify.

Or is it that you want to spread bunk while avoiding a discussion?

“You say I have to prove things to you.”

Not just to me, no. You say people are reading all this. Don’t you think they deserve some fact checking?

Where is the connection between between skin problems and trails in the sky? It’s just an assumption, no more.
Did anyone check for pathogen souces on the ground? Or did anyone bring an electron microscope into a jet trail?

Yet you / they are making these far-fetched claims.

By Josh on 2012 10 11 - 23:05:11

Most of the people reading this don’t need me to prove anything to them.

The discussions, or non-discussions, that go on here do not have any bearing on what is happening politically in relation to chemtrails.

The pattern is I post, you react. I post, you react. Meanwhile the focused action proceeds elsewhere, in interactions between people living in reality.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 12 - 00:01:25

Wayne Hall said:

“The discussions, or non-discussions, that go on here do not have any bearing on what is happening politically in relation to chemtrails.”

The reason is that the “political happenings” are not about chemtrails, contrary to what you are implying and wishing for all the time.

The discussion here is about whether chemtrails exist at all.

“The pattern is I post, you react. I post, you react.”

And this will go on as long as you are posting bunk. It may change as soon as you stop refusing to discuss the facts about chemtrails and contrails.
Or if you stop posting alltogether.

By Josh on 2012 10 12 - 00:30:38

I am not going to stop posting.

I will keep updating on developments in the world outside the intellectual slum that is this thread.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 12 - 00:54:40

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RECLAIM AUSTRALIA IS DOOMED

Although I agree with many of their ideas, the forces reigned against RAM are too great, violent, statist and reactionary for them to remain a non-political, broad based, multi-ethnic, community protest group for much longer. The Left and their Antifa nihilist fellow travelers are already pushing them towards the extreme Right, by calling them racists and Islamophobes and so on. Whilst the extreme Right have aligned themselves with RAM. With fascists of the Left and Right pressuring them they will not be able to remain beyond the Left-Right divide and will inevitably move to the Right - the extreme Right. Which is already happening. A development which will alienate decent Australians of all ethnic backgrounds many of whom currently support them.

The RAM leadership have already established open alliances with the Patriotic Front (the ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration) Australia First and Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi party. Members of these collectivist groups are currently attending RAM demonstrations all over Australia.

There is a real need in Australia to establish a political movement beyond the Left-Right divide and their vested interests, a movement that questions the current direction Australia is heading i.e. the direction the Left/Right and their extremes would like to take it; that questions the efficacy of state sponsored multiculturalism, as opposed to a proper, non-discriminatory immigration policy; that questions the validity of political correctness; that is politically neutral, anti-war and pro environment; that is opposed to all collectivists ideologies (fascisms of the Left and Right); that would dismantle the power pyramids of corporations and banks and their ability to impact on government; that would dissolve all anti-terror laws and all laws that impose on the rights and freedom of the individual and the people.

(The ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration)

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/reclaim-australia-rally-set-for-sydney-on-sunday-20150718-gifb9s.html

http://australiafirstparty.net/news/reclaiming-australia-queensland-senate-campaign/

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From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

Without doubt, TNR is one of the best, if not the best alternative news source on the net. Which doesn’t mean Herewood is always right. His job, I believe, is to present the facts as he sees them as an objectively as possible, without fear or favor. For this, he has my respect and support. But I believe he needs to be careful and to think a little deeper about the problems of “racism,” in Australia. He has labelled the Reclaim Australia Movement as racist. I’m wondering if his objectivity is a little weak on this point, a little without foundation.

Of course all political movements have its fringe groups and individuals. We make a distinction between, for example, a Muslim and a fundamentalist Muslim (Islamist), and by so doing we don’t claim that all Muslims are blood thirsty fanatics. If its good for the Muslims, then its good for RAM, which is bound to attract a few lunatics and real racists. But to brand the entire movement as “racist” is wrong; it is the same ploy that is used by the mainstream media and its left-wing, establishment Marxist boot boys.

One of the first things I noticed when i attended a RAM rally recently were the amount of non-white people in attendance, including Aboriginals. In fact the main banner of RAM contains an Australian flag and an Aboriginal flag. Speakers at their rallies have included Jews, Arabs, Indians, Aboriginals, Chinese and so on. What does this tell you? Is this really a fascist-Nazi-racist movement whose stated aim are the eradication and exclusion of other cultures, in place of some sort of Aussie white Reich, or is this just propaganda that is being propagated by the left for their own political interests. Consequently, we all know where the culmination of their politics have led, historically speaking, which are to the imposition of terror and dictatorships.

We can be thankful for small mercies, in terms of the Left, which today mostly tends to attract collectivists, establishmentarians and the privileged sons and daughters of the upper bourgeoisie, who seems to share one thing in common, nativity….

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Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He hasn’t even been citizen for but a few years. But, he makes out like he was born there. ALSO - this guy spent 30 years in Thailand working shady businesses. I would wager that his primary purpose in being an activist is that he wants to make money off selling merchandise.

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From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

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i am a vegetarian, and it was seeing this documentary on the pork industry that started me on the vegetarian path. for anyone interested, its pretty off the charts disturbing and its australian as well. its pretty much made by dudes breaking into pork farms and filming what they find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArL5YjaL5U

Would the world be better if people cared where their food came from? probably, they might then care about other things too

do you become a better person if you dont eat meat? i feel like a better person mainly because animals aren’t being hurt because of me. i dont feel humans have to eat meat really… or at least not much. How can you watch that documentary on pork, know that that is pretty much whats going on and turn a blind eye to it? I think its basic empathy and just saying well ‘i like bacon so yeah’ is in my opinion wrong and i can see freleys point of view to an extent. In my opinion, at least these people believe in something. i see my money as my vote, henceforth im ethical as to what i do with it. free range eggs became mainstream for exactly this reason… although im pretty sure woolies and coles lobbied the state to change the definition of the word ‘free range’ at some point. I dont eat beef because the amount of resources that go into growing a cow are pretty crazy. Think about how much grass that cow needs to eat before it is harvested and how much space it requires. think of how many vegies you could grow in the same space with the same amount of water. lamb? comon, think about what your doing here… but that being said i think most vegans are total loons. People like freeley should be advocating for the destruction of lions and tigers, as lions and tigers murder other animals in truly horrific style. if we humans are smart enough to not harm animals, then we should be stopping the animals that harm other animals from existing. Freeley also kills birds when she flies in aeroplanes so she is a hypocrite.

feminism is one of the biggest problems in society today and although there is some valid historical basis to it, the liberation of the human female from their biology is in my opinion largely a product of the technological advance of humans. sufferagettes where never machine gunned on the streets, unlike the men that where drafted and sent off to war to die just a few years earlier. as technology has advanced, women have advanced as well, however now its going way too far and is pretty blatantly anti male in many respects. i view feminism in its modern context as a tool of the social marxists that really isnt doing society a great deal of good at this time. its screwing up gender dynamics and is wrecking women and men for each other. i see it as low frequency, lowest common denominator idiocy, just like a lot of the the race baiting ‘is this racist’ stuff getting around that is being perpetuated pretty much as a distraction, divide and conquer strategy by the power elite. idiots love this kind of bicker and beef… it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious

anyway

I agree with steven friar. gods a maniac

good show… keep making them

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Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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