Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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Contrails over London in 1944

Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.

All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.

If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.

However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.

The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.

There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!

Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.

CONTRAIL SCIENCE

For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.

Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.

After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.

Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
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TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.

But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.

That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.

If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.

Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.

Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.

Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?

Think about it.

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Wayne Hall said:
“I will keep updating on developments in the world outside”

I hope by that you don’t mean videos about flight track misinterpretation or “Morgellon Chemtrails” ...

“I am not going to stop posting.”

Suit yourself.

By Josh on 2012 10 12 - 04:19:13

Centred on an interview with Aegina deputy mayor Nektarios Koukoulis, this sequel to the documentary “Enouranois” examines the trajectory of the resistance to chemtrails in Europe from the first public meeting in Aegina, Greece in 2003 through the Belfort Group’s 2010 symposium in Ghent to today’s expanding network of opposition among Europe’s Greens, starting in Cyprus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C319XrKDrkI

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 16 - 12:34:35

http://www.cybc.com.cy/eurofile/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=89:greens-highlight-chemtrails-in-cypriot-skies&Itemid=53

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 18 - 17:41:07

From Wayne Hall’s link:

“... suspected contamination caused by alleged chemtrails ...”

If that is all they’ve got, they will be severely embarrassed once they learn that they have been hoaxed like many before them.

By Josh on 2012 10 18 - 23:03:07

I agree that when the community at large realizes they have been hoaxed their reaction is likely to be quite strong, and I don’t know who they will target. Very large numbers already realize, and what they are doing is looking for a way of reacting within the political system.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 19 - 11:53:52

In Athens, Greece, there is an increasing amount of public activism around chemtrails. Each demonstration is followed by a wave of sarcasm and irony from journalists, and media personalities, and ONLY from them.

By Wayne.Hall on 2012 10 21 - 11:44:36

From Brian Gerrish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmtp74vof5Q&feature=plcp

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 24 - 10:16:26

Wayne Hall,

I stopped watching that video when the presenter claimed that a contrail which stayed for two hours was not normal.

Can you explain why anybody should take such a presentation seriously?

Persisting contrails were known since the 1940ies. Read the blog article that you are commenting on. Or this one:

http://contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/

By Josh on 2012 10 25 - 11:44:47

I can explain why YOU can’t take the presentation seriously. Do you need an explanation from me, or do you know?

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 25 - 12:38:34

@Josh, Just because contrails can linger does not disprove that chemtrails exist. As has been pointed out, they have existed in cloud seeding for a long time such as increasing snowfall in the snowy mountains. Saying only chemtrails can linger is as daft as saying chemtrails are contrails. Recently humans have added increased SRM testing and various other geo engineering projects like SPICE and ATREX endeavours and all this and happens with very little disclosure. Its a fight getting the info out and its time we stopped arguing about contrails and chemtrails. Do you agree???

By Jesse Ventura on 2012 10 25 - 15:14:05

http://www.enouranois.gr/english/indexenglish.htm (Scroll down)

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 25 - 15:14:21

@ josh

“I stopped watching that video”

willful ignorance on your part is not proof that chemtrails are of no concern to the millions of people worldwide who unlike you dont have their head up their anal orifice.

your banal repetition of your inconsequential insignificant lumpen opinion is amusing only so far as it highlights your total idiocy, but how about posting something with a little substance for once you gormless knob.

By meagain on 2012 10 25 - 16:26:21

Even the most unimaginative trolls had more imagination ten years ago. And pressed forward their attack on more fronts. The parameters of the game are narrowing for them.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 25 - 17:03:48

@TNRA Thanks for all the links & great resources on the various chemtrail discussions you admin. Why don’t you start a blog looking at the lack of regulation around Solar Geo-engineering & techniques creating low-altitude marine clouds or the aerosol concentrations in the stratosphere and other Sulfur and heavy metal injection systems. This would lead to investigating the plankton seeding in our oceans and other nefarious activities occurring around the globe. All of this is happening without regard for the “as yet unknown ecological consequences”. It’s the issue’s that seems to be getting you all your hits. Otherwise it looks a bit like pools closed.

By Victor Newman on 2012 10 25 - 18:37:01

Jesse Ventura said:

“Just because contrails can linger does not disprove that chemtrails exist”

That is true. However it disproves the claim that is at the heart of the chemtrail theory, which says that normal contrails always dissolve within minutes and that all persisting trails are “not normal”.

This is what Michael Murphy claimed in “What in the World are they spraying” and what this Brian Gerrish claims.

If normal contrails can linger and spread, how would you identify a chemtrail?

By Josh on 2012 10 25 - 23:15:58

The notion of a “normal contrail” is obsolete.

Victor Newman the research you say needs to be done is being done, by the ETC Group and the campaign they sponsor: “Hands off Mother Earth.”

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 26 - 00:02:38

The notion of a “normal contrail” is obsolete.

Victor Newman the research you say needs to be done is being done, by the ETC Group and the campaign they sponsor: “Hands off Mother Earth.”

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 26 - 00:03:55

Wayne Hall said:

“The notion of a ‘normal contrail’ is obsolete.”

Where is the sense in that sentence?

Do you believe that there are no normal contrails at all?

By Josh on 2012 10 26 - 01:06:01

I said I was not going to get involved in this discussion, but here we go: What is a “normal contrail”?

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 26 - 01:15:05

@Wayne Hall, Meagain and all the other positive contributors thanks for the many posts and info.

@Josh I don’t know where you are doing your research other than at TNRA but the argument “YOU” claim is at the heart of the chemtrail theory, which says that normal contrails always dissolve within minutes and that all persisting trails are “not normal” is not even a defining point of this debate reglardless of what your mates say. A chemtrail is a vapour trail used for weather modification purposes. SIMPLE. You seem no closer to understanding the difference between the types of vapor trails that exist and I’m not surprised because you don’t seem to want to add anything positive and just keep repeating the same rote learned point.
Why do you so strongly defend an article like this that admits chem-trails do exist but calls anyone interested in researching and discussing the issue a chem-trail alarmist. Its a pity for your reputation Mr Jackson that you only seem content on causing trouble and avoiding making any real progress on the issue. How is your patience son because our patience is great because were having fun playing with you and this issue. Come back when you get serious and have something new because you are starting to look silly again.

By Jesse Ventura on 2012 10 26 - 03:16:41

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RECLAIM AUSTRALIA IS DOOMED

Although I agree with many of their ideas, the forces reigned against RAM are too great, violent, statist and reactionary for them to remain a non-political, broad based, multi-ethnic, community protest group for much longer. The Left and their Antifa nihilist fellow travelers are already pushing them towards the extreme Right, by calling them racists and Islamophobes and so on. Whilst the extreme Right have aligned themselves with RAM. With fascists of the Left and Right pressuring them they will not be able to remain beyond the Left-Right divide and will inevitably move to the Right - the extreme Right. Which is already happening. A development which will alienate decent Australians of all ethnic backgrounds many of whom currently support them.

The RAM leadership have already established open alliances with the Patriotic Front (the ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration) Australia First and Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi party. Members of these collectivist groups are currently attending RAM demonstrations all over Australia.

There is a real need in Australia to establish a political movement beyond the Left-Right divide and their vested interests, a movement that questions the current direction Australia is heading i.e. the direction the Left/Right and their extremes would like to take it; that questions the efficacy of state sponsored multiculturalism, as opposed to a proper, non-discriminatory immigration policy; that questions the validity of political correctness; that is politically neutral, anti-war and pro environment; that is opposed to all collectivists ideologies (fascisms of the Left and Right); that would dismantle the power pyramids of corporations and banks and their ability to impact on government; that would dissolve all anti-terror laws and all laws that impose on the rights and freedom of the individual and the people.

(The ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration)

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/reclaim-australia-rally-set-for-sydney-on-sunday-20150718-gifb9s.html

http://australiafirstparty.net/news/reclaiming-australia-queensland-senate-campaign/

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I second Keith’s assertion that Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He bangs on about Halaal being a scam and money maker for Islam (and no I don’t support Halaal whatsoever), but makes excuses for its counterpart Kosher as being a somehow legitimate. Double standards? When I confronted him about this fact he went off on a convoluted tirade about Israel being some sort of “Bastion of Democracy” in the middle east…Really!, I will leave that one up to the readers to decide on. I found that MH came across as disingenuous to say the least.

By Citizen Scorn on 2015 07 19 - 07:33:43
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

Without doubt, TNR is one of the best, if not the best alternative news source on the net. Which doesn’t mean Herewood is always right. His job, I believe, is to present the facts as he sees them as an objectively as possible, without fear or favor. For this, he has my respect and support. But I believe he needs to be careful and to think a little deeper about the problems of “racism,” in Australia. He has labelled the Reclaim Australia Movement as racist. I’m wondering if his objectivity is a little weak on this point, a little without foundation.

Of course all political movements have its fringe groups and individuals. We make a distinction between, for example, a Muslim and a fundamentalist Muslim (Islamist), and by so doing we don’t claim that all Muslims are blood thirsty fanatics. If its good for the Muslims, then its good for RAM, which is bound to attract a few lunatics and real racists. But to brand the entire movement as “racist” is wrong; it is the same ploy that is used by the mainstream media and its left-wing, establishment Marxist boot boys.

One of the first things I noticed when i attended a RAM rally recently were the amount of non-white people in attendance, including Aboriginals. In fact the main banner of RAM contains an Australian flag and an Aboriginal flag. Speakers at their rallies have included Jews, Arabs, Indians, Aboriginals, Chinese and so on. What does this tell you? Is this really a fascist-Nazi-racist movement whose stated aim are the eradication and exclusion of other cultures, in place of some sort of Aussie white Reich, or is this just propaganda that is being propagated by the left for their own political interests. Consequently, we all know where the culmination of their politics have led, historically speaking, which are to the imposition of terror and dictatorships.

We can be thankful for small mercies, in terms of the Left, which today mostly tends to attract collectivists, establishmentarians and the privileged sons and daughters of the upper bourgeoisie, who seems to share one thing in common, nativity….

By Eugene on 2015 07 18 - 16:03:54
From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He hasn’t even been citizen for but a few years. But, he makes out like he was born there. ALSO - this guy spent 30 years in Thailand working shady businesses. I would wager that his primary purpose in being an activist is that he wants to make money off selling merchandise.

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From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

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i am a vegetarian, and it was seeing this documentary on the pork industry that started me on the vegetarian path. for anyone interested, its pretty off the charts disturbing and its australian as well. its pretty much made by dudes breaking into pork farms and filming what they find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArL5YjaL5U

Would the world be better if people cared where their food came from? probably, they might then care about other things too

do you become a better person if you dont eat meat? i feel like a better person mainly because animals aren’t being hurt because of me. i dont feel humans have to eat meat really… or at least not much. How can you watch that documentary on pork, know that that is pretty much whats going on and turn a blind eye to it? I think its basic empathy and just saying well ‘i like bacon so yeah’ is in my opinion wrong and i can see freleys point of view to an extent. In my opinion, at least these people believe in something. i see my money as my vote, henceforth im ethical as to what i do with it. free range eggs became mainstream for exactly this reason… although im pretty sure woolies and coles lobbied the state to change the definition of the word ‘free range’ at some point. I dont eat beef because the amount of resources that go into growing a cow are pretty crazy. Think about how much grass that cow needs to eat before it is harvested and how much space it requires. think of how many vegies you could grow in the same space with the same amount of water. lamb? comon, think about what your doing here… but that being said i think most vegans are total loons. People like freeley should be advocating for the destruction of lions and tigers, as lions and tigers murder other animals in truly horrific style. if we humans are smart enough to not harm animals, then we should be stopping the animals that harm other animals from existing. Freeley also kills birds when she flies in aeroplanes so she is a hypocrite.

feminism is one of the biggest problems in society today and although there is some valid historical basis to it, the liberation of the human female from their biology is in my opinion largely a product of the technological advance of humans. sufferagettes where never machine gunned on the streets, unlike the men that where drafted and sent off to war to die just a few years earlier. as technology has advanced, women have advanced as well, however now its going way too far and is pretty blatantly anti male in many respects. i view feminism in its modern context as a tool of the social marxists that really isnt doing society a great deal of good at this time. its screwing up gender dynamics and is wrecking women and men for each other. i see it as low frequency, lowest common denominator idiocy, just like a lot of the the race baiting ‘is this racist’ stuff getting around that is being perpetuated pretty much as a distraction, divide and conquer strategy by the power elite. idiots love this kind of bicker and beef… it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious

anyway

I agree with steven friar. gods a maniac

good show… keep making them

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From the entry 'Addictions, obsessions, fanaticisms and distractions'.

Really truthfull.

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Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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