Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

Categories: [ Chemtrails ]

Contrails over London in 1944

Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.

All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.

If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.

However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.

The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.

There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!

Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.

CONTRAIL SCIENCE

For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.

Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.

After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.

Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
- source

TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.

But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.

That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.

If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.

Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.

Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.

Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?

Think about it.

Related Links

Comments

Please review the Terms of Service before reading or responding to comments.

@ Wayne Hall. Truth News says don’t conflate issues; I say expose the geo-pirates. Here is one example of where the ETC is doing that fantastic work you mentioned. It’s great to see this issue going mainstream and it’s a pity TNRA don’t want to further this knowledge as it’s obviously a serious concern for many people.

http://www.timescolonist.com/health/Replacing+iron+pollution+village+says/7421187/story.html
“It’s astonishing that this small, confused group of geoengineers think that a village council decision gives them some right to violate international rules and deploy planet-changing schemes for their own commercial profit,” said Jim Thomas of the international technology watchdog ETC Group.

By Victor Newman on 2012 10 26 - 07:17:14

Wayne Hall said:

“What is a ‘normal contrail’?”

A trail that does not require an explanation for its properties other than the prevailing atmospheric conditions (meaning the weather at 30000 to 40000 feet altitude).

To all others that are so convinced about the existence of chemtrails: how do you know them?

To all others that take currently ongoing geoengineering as a given: what is the evidence? Not discussions, not patents, not soil and water samples that can be potentially contaminated by countless sources on the ground.

Where is the real stuff?

By Josh on 2012 10 26 - 09:39:58

Evidence from 1921 that the military have been spraying our skies with poison. They have been interested in this for a very long time and those whoever says every object in the sky to just weather and contrails might be kidding themselves but luckily they are not fooling everybody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg15MXVbf1w

LAMESTREAM MEDIA PROOF USING THE PUBLIC AS TEST SUBJECTS HAPPENS & IS KEPT SECRET.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210415/Revealed-Army-scientists-secretly-sprayed-St-Louis-radioactive-particles-YEARS-test-chemical-warfare-technology.html

Operation LAC documents contain evidence of how far the psychopaths are prepared to go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_LAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHUVJev5P3Y&feature=related

Carbon credits for dumping iron into the ocean? The artificial plankton bloom is like bringing in toads to eat a significant fraction of the beetles that are destroying the sugar cane crops. Its man messing with nature without fully considering the consequences as all that matters is the banksters can justify making a dollar out of peoples ignorance. http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Iron+dumping+Haida+Gwaii+done+financial+environmental+gain/7424439/story.html

By Richard Johnson on 2012 10 26 - 10:16:48

Geopirates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk3P3QR4oD0&feature=plcp

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 26 - 11:48:18

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/chemtrails-demonstration-outside-ministry-of-defence-in-athens/

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 26 - 13:26:11

Richard Johnson,

that iron dumping link is very interesting, thank you. It seems that there is a controversy going on if this counts as geoengineering, but the size of the measure and the fact that there is a commercial interest behind it makes me consider it as such.

However, bringing up historical events as evidence for chemtrail spraying is a bit thin, don’t you think? Would a court accept this as a smoking gun?

If you say not all contrails can be explained by “weather”, which ones do you mean? How are they different from ‘explainable’ trails?

By Josh on 2012 10 27 - 03:34:03

more edification

http://interceder.net/latest_news/geoengineering

not for the likes of josh, his tiny little head might explode

By meagain on 2012 10 27 - 11:33:00

“Would the court accept this as a smoking gun”?

This question is about as relevant to today as the notion of a normal contrail.

The transition has started from “chemtrails don’t exist” to “geoengineering is necessary”. All that is uncertain is the details of how the transition will be effected and what the consequences will be - if there are to be consequences - of the decades of official lying on the subject. I have always assumed that it will the climate change sceptics that will play (will continue to play) the key role in canvassing for public acceptance of such delights as “solar radiation management” but yesterday a German member of a Facebook group (living in Berlin) presented us with a photograph of a WWF souvenir carry bag with the inscription: “Die Erde mit kuenstlichen Wolken zu kuehlen ist eine Loesung fuer morgen. Vielleicht. Was wenn sie die Loesung von Heute waere?” Which Josh as a German will know means: “Cooling the earth with artificial clouds is a solution for tomorrow. Perhaps. What if it were the solution from today?”

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 29 - 10:55:29

Wayne Hall,

there is plenty of evidence that geoengineering is discussed at the present time.

There is however no evidence for jet contrails to be anything but.
No reason to assume any sinister intention here. Jets fly whereever the fuel consumption is lowest.

The “transition” (and thereby connection) that you describe is an artificial construction and not backed up by any facts. Unless you want to present some eventually?

Do you know something that would convince a court?

By Josh on 2012 10 29 - 19:30:54

Look I am just bored with your assumptions. “Sinister intention” bullcrap. The geoengineers claim they are “going to be” doing us a favour.

There is no need whatsoever to engage with your non-problematic in any way at all. I only respond out of habit. Why don’t you start looking at things a little more comprehensively? Do you LIKE these geoengineering “proposals”.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 29 - 19:46:14

Wayne Hall said:
“Do you LIKE these geoengineering ‘proposals’”

It’s irrelevant. This is just not the issue here. Apart from that, there is no evidence that any jet trails are part of an intentional geoengineering program.

Also, there is no evidence that jet trails contain anything but fuel exhaust. The sinister intention is implied by most chemtrail believers.

By Josh on 2012 10 29 - 20:11:32

OK, what for you is relevant for me is irrelevant. What for me is relevant for you is irrelevant. I’ve said before that the “dialogue” here is by definition a dialogue of the deaf, so it’s just a question of who gets tired of it first. I am not going to get tired of it because I am dialoguing with other inputs, whereas all that you are doing is reacting to what I, and occasionally some other people, say. That to me seems more tiring, and more tiresome. But if you are not bored with it, and bored with yourself, what can one say?

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 29 - 20:19:56

Wayne Hall,

I can’t help you with your boredom. I for my part am not bored asking for evidence.
So far, there hasn’t been any, and I think readers will notice this.

My question about how one can identify an ‘unnormal’ contrail has not been answered yet.
And I predict that you cannot show me how this question is irrelevant with respect to the chemtrail theory.

By Josh on 2012 10 29 - 20:46:34

Wayne, I will be blunt.

Your rhetorical tricks are painfully obvious.

You need to start using words and phrases with the conscious intent of building an argument, or at least adhering to some vestige of integrity in the way you communicate.

You’re a time waster. Stop playing games.

By Hereward Fenton on 2012 10 29 - 20:47:26

You are not blunt. You are obtuse.

Your turn to make a posting that can raise the level of the discussion.

Make a comment about ANYTHING unrelated to chemtrails vs contrails.

The content of this thread has not been narrowly confined to that subject, and you have acquiesced in this broadening of the agenda.

Now its your turn to do some broadening. Say something about ANYTHING that does not amount to an assertion that chemtrails = contrails.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 30 - 00:58:41

Wayne Hall said:

“Your turn to make a posting that can raise the level of the discussion.
Make a comment about ANYTHING unrelated to chemtrails vs contrails.”

Uhm ... can you show why “off-topic” should now be defined as “higher level”?

I wonder why you avoid to discuss the topic of the article at all costs. Can it be that you are secretly aware that your chemtrail conviction will fall apart once you try to defend it?

By Josh on 2012 10 30 - 01:11:09

I’m sorry, I had not noticed that Hereward Fenton was back in the discussion.

Perhaps we should return to the question of the two conflicting propaganda videos:

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUaW3DQqPig

2. http://deoxy.org/watch/tX1WfZ_Wrq4

If aircraft condensation trails reduce the temperature of the planet,
why in Europe have they been trying to tax them for raising the temperature of the planet? Your climate change scepticism should stand you in good stead for answering that question Hereward.

By the way, 911 Truth activists may be interested to know that Giulietto Chiesa may be on the point of becoming centrally involved in a shortly-to-be-established new international anti-chemtrails/geoengineering/HAARP organization.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 30 - 03:21:26

Wayne Hall said:
“Perhaps we should return to the question of the two conflicting propaganda videos”

No, we shouldn’t. Off-topic, irrelevant.

What are your arguments for the existence of chemtrails?

By Josh on 2012 10 30 - 14:26:46

Why doesn’t Hereward answer the questions I ask?

Who wants to talk about chemtrails? Answer the questions I asked about contrails. You or your boss. I don’t care.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 10 30 - 14:32:03

Wayne Hall said:

“Who wants to talk about chemtrails?”

Everybody except you, it seems. And you will not succeed in diverting attention from the topic because you are leaving the basic questions unanswered.

“You or your boss. I don’t care.”

Oh, annother conspiracy theory?

If three people (count Michael Glynn in) come to the same assessment of your communication “strategy”, there may be an orchestrated shill effort going on - or they are independent individuals who just have a point.

What’s more likely?

By Josh on 2012 10 30 - 17:20:26

Page 23 of 55 pages ‹ First < 21 22 23 24 25 > Last ›

RECLAIM AUSTRALIA IS DOOMED

Although I agree with many of their ideas, the forces reigned against RAM are too great, violent, statist and reactionary for them to remain a non-political, broad based, multi-ethnic, community protest group for much longer. The Left and their Antifa nihilist fellow travelers are already pushing them towards the extreme Right, by calling them racists and Islamophobes and so on. Whilst the extreme Right have aligned themselves with RAM. With fascists of the Left and Right pressuring them they will not be able to remain beyond the Left-Right divide and will inevitably move to the Right - the extreme Right. Which is already happening. A development which will alienate decent Australians of all ethnic backgrounds many of whom currently support them.

The RAM leadership have already established open alliances with the Patriotic Front (the ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration) Australia First and Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi party. Members of these collectivist groups are currently attending RAM demonstrations all over Australia.

There is a real need in Australia to establish a political movement beyond the Left-Right divide and their vested interests, a movement that questions the current direction Australia is heading i.e. the direction the Left/Right and their extremes would like to take it; that questions the efficacy of state sponsored multiculturalism, as opposed to a proper, non-discriminatory immigration policy; that questions the validity of political correctness; that is politically neutral, anti-war and pro environment; that is opposed to all collectivists ideologies (fascisms of the Left and Right); that would dismantle the power pyramids of corporations and banks and their ability to impact on government; that would dissolve all anti-terror laws and all laws that impose on the rights and freedom of the individual and the people.

(The ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration)

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/reclaim-australia-rally-set-for-sydney-on-sunday-20150718-gifb9s.html

http://australiafirstparty.net/news/reclaiming-australia-queensland-senate-campaign/

By Eugene Donnini on 2015 07 26 - 15:36:56
From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

Hello there I am so thrilled I found your web site, I really found you by error, while I was searching on Digg for something else, Anyways I am here now and would just like to say thanks for a incredible post and a all round thrilling blog (I also love the theme/design), I don韙 have time to go through it all at the minute but I have bookmarked it and also included your RSS feeds, so when I have time I will be back to read a lot more, Please do keep up the great work.

By Prova a Adidas Neutro Originals Nizza Nero Giallo on 2015 07 20 - 08:41:30
From the entry 'Statism, the greater good and the big lie'.

I second Keith’s assertion that Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He bangs on about Halaal being a scam and money maker for Islam (and no I don’t support Halaal whatsoever), but makes excuses for its counterpart Kosher as being a somehow legitimate. Double standards? When I confronted him about this fact he went off on a convoluted tirade about Israel being some sort of “Bastion of Democracy” in the middle east…Really!, I will leave that one up to the readers to decide on. I found that MH came across as disingenuous to say the least.

By Citizen Scorn on 2015 07 19 - 07:33:43
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

Without doubt, TNR is one of the best, if not the best alternative news source on the net. Which doesn’t mean Herewood is always right. His job, I believe, is to present the facts as he sees them as an objectively as possible, without fear or favor. For this, he has my respect and support. But I believe he needs to be careful and to think a little deeper about the problems of “racism,” in Australia. He has labelled the Reclaim Australia Movement as racist. I’m wondering if his objectivity is a little weak on this point, a little without foundation.

Of course all political movements have its fringe groups and individuals. We make a distinction between, for example, a Muslim and a fundamentalist Muslim (Islamist), and by so doing we don’t claim that all Muslims are blood thirsty fanatics. If its good for the Muslims, then its good for RAM, which is bound to attract a few lunatics and real racists. But to brand the entire movement as “racist” is wrong; it is the same ploy that is used by the mainstream media and its left-wing, establishment Marxist boot boys.

One of the first things I noticed when i attended a RAM rally recently were the amount of non-white people in attendance, including Aboriginals. In fact the main banner of RAM contains an Australian flag and an Aboriginal flag. Speakers at their rallies have included Jews, Arabs, Indians, Aboriginals, Chinese and so on. What does this tell you? Is this really a fascist-Nazi-racist movement whose stated aim are the eradication and exclusion of other cultures, in place of some sort of Aussie white Reich, or is this just propaganda that is being propagated by the left for their own political interests. Consequently, we all know where the culmination of their politics have led, historically speaking, which are to the imposition of terror and dictatorships.

We can be thankful for small mercies, in terms of the Left, which today mostly tends to attract collectivists, establishmentarians and the privileged sons and daughters of the upper bourgeoisie, who seems to share one thing in common, nativity….

By Eugene on 2015 07 18 - 16:03:54
From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He hasn’t even been citizen for but a few years. But, he makes out like he was born there. ALSO - this guy spent 30 years in Thailand working shady businesses. I would wager that his primary purpose in being an activist is that he wants to make money off selling merchandise.

By Keith on 2015 07 17 - 20:51:15
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

good to see you putting out some new shows heraward

freely the banana girl is to a certain extent a troll, as is her boyfriend durian rider. they have been trolling the fitness community on youtube for some time… and yes they are extreme but they are also trolls. They use their trolling to spread their message. currently, another dude called vegangains is trolling the fitness community as well.

i am a vegetarian, and it was seeing this documentary on the pork industry that started me on the vegetarian path. for anyone interested, its pretty off the charts disturbing and its australian as well. its pretty much made by dudes breaking into pork farms and filming what they find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArL5YjaL5U

Would the world be better if people cared where their food came from? probably, they might then care about other things too

do you become a better person if you dont eat meat? i feel like a better person mainly because animals aren’t being hurt because of me. i dont feel humans have to eat meat really… or at least not much. How can you watch that documentary on pork, know that that is pretty much whats going on and turn a blind eye to it? I think its basic empathy and just saying well ‘i like bacon so yeah’ is in my opinion wrong and i can see freleys point of view to an extent. In my opinion, at least these people believe in something. i see my money as my vote, henceforth im ethical as to what i do with it. free range eggs became mainstream for exactly this reason… although im pretty sure woolies and coles lobbied the state to change the definition of the word ‘free range’ at some point. I dont eat beef because the amount of resources that go into growing a cow are pretty crazy. Think about how much grass that cow needs to eat before it is harvested and how much space it requires. think of how many vegies you could grow in the same space with the same amount of water. lamb? comon, think about what your doing here… but that being said i think most vegans are total loons. People like freeley should be advocating for the destruction of lions and tigers, as lions and tigers murder other animals in truly horrific style. if we humans are smart enough to not harm animals, then we should be stopping the animals that harm other animals from existing. Freeley also kills birds when she flies in aeroplanes so she is a hypocrite.

feminism is one of the biggest problems in society today and although there is some valid historical basis to it, the liberation of the human female from their biology is in my opinion largely a product of the technological advance of humans. sufferagettes where never machine gunned on the streets, unlike the men that where drafted and sent off to war to die just a few years earlier. as technology has advanced, women have advanced as well, however now its going way too far and is pretty blatantly anti male in many respects. i view feminism in its modern context as a tool of the social marxists that really isnt doing society a great deal of good at this time. its screwing up gender dynamics and is wrecking women and men for each other. i see it as low frequency, lowest common denominator idiocy, just like a lot of the the race baiting ‘is this racist’ stuff getting around that is being perpetuated pretty much as a distraction, divide and conquer strategy by the power elite. idiots love this kind of bicker and beef… it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious

anyway

I agree with steven friar. gods a maniac

good show… keep making them

By r0Kb3B0p on 2015 07 14 - 21:05:32
From the entry 'Addictions, obsessions, fanaticisms and distractions'.

Really truthfull.

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:56:36
From the entry 'Defending your personal health choices'.

Yeah sure authority aware.

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:28:55
From the entry 'What is the future of Australia?'.

Stay tuned for more rules here as usually is the case!!!

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:21:50
From the entry 'Mass media disinformation and brainwashing dissected'.

Almost two months since the last broadcast! How the hell can you expect people to donate when you don’t broadcast? Looks like the ship of truth has sprung a leak. This broadcast has been part of my life almost since its inception…it is one of the few alternative news sources that hasn’t gone off the deep end, by dilution credible information with crap e.g. Fairdinkum Radio and Info Wars…Pittard started FR with some incredibly interesting material, but then he flipped…Today he sounds like a fundamentalist preacher, the Christian equivalent to a Fanatical Islamist. As an atheist, I think he’s really ###### up a potentially good show. As for Info Wars, all they would have to do to improve is dump Alex Jones, what a shit-for-brains. I reckon Jones and Pittard are allowed to proliferate, because they’re so stupid and harmless. I suppose they have some entertainment value, and along with David Icke are living examples of how low the alternative media has sunk. Truth News Radio is, or should I say was, way ahead of them all ahead of them all in terms of credibility How sad that its come to this.

By Eugene on 2015 06 28 - 17:28:56
From the entry 'Introducing Internet.org: Mark Zuckerberg's free 'private' internet which will soon be rolled out to 4 billion+ people'.

Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

Comments

Recent Comments

Archives

Categories