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The “communitarian” world view (for climate dummies)

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Broadcast of November 15, 2011. Part 1 of 1 » Download mp3: click here

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By Hereward Fenton

Naomi KleinOn tonight's show we take a look at a recent article by Naomi Klein titled "Capitalism vs. the Climate". In a key passage, Klein states the following:

"Those with strong 'egalitarian' and 'communitarian' worldviews (marked by an inclination toward collective action and social justice, concern about inequality and suspicion of corporate power) overwhelmingly accept the scientific consensus on climate change. On the other hand, those with strong 'hierarchical' and 'individualistic' worldviews (marked by opposition to government assistance for the poor and minorities, strong support for industry and a belief that we all get what we deserve) overwhelmingly reject the scientific consensus."

This appears to be an admission that the views of the left and the right on climate change are shaped more by their political ideals than by any regard for science based evidence. However, as we have been at pains to demonstrate on this show, the truth is the only thing that really matters, and the attempt to make climate science a political tool to serve agendas for social change is both a betrayal of science and of public trust in scientists. As such it can only be seen as anathema to freedom, democracy and science itself.

Nonetheless this style of thinking, which Klein describes as "communitarian", appears to be very influential and many believe that it is the way of the future.

In part 2 Steph from Occupy Sydney returns to the show to talk about his recent experiences with the group. After the arrest of many of the risk taking free thinkers, he asserts that the movement is now dominated by collectivst "group think", in which all individual expression is suppressed.

A great show!

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THE ENTIRE SITUATION WITH THE NEW WORLD ORDER ECONOMIES IS TO CREATE PERPETUAL DEBT & CONTROL THE PROFIT ABILITIES OF THE MIDDLE CLASS and POOR, forever.

The Communist party policies is “to make the people pay” and they do, all the time - hence speeding cameras, road user and carbon taxes or land grabbing and refusing to pay workers by declaring banktrupcy at the completion of jobs.

Did the people know the China nest stadium for the 2000 olympics was built on the pledge the employees would be paid at the end. Ah, but being owned by the Communist Party leaves us in no doubt that the bankruptcy was a lie, and the people did pay again, with blood, deaths, sweat and tears, literally.

American and Australian policies are often deceptively arranged by life time communist, socialist and Nazi political systems from the second world war? The new world order is to make the poor and middle class constantly struggle and become brainwashed and obssessed with monies in a big brother status, forever holding people hostage to complicated, expensive and harsh “solutions” which creates mass negative stress -  people just constantly fighting to get by and always subconsciously worried about monies?

Without people, monies and talk back is irrelevant. If the people occupy avenues or just refuse to work, all industries, services, care, security and lifestyle is compromised, and then broken down into anarchy with a “heathrow airport” situation of desperate, tired, uncared for and abandoned citizens forced into discomforts, privation, neglectful systems and no care or compensation.

The media and businesses teach new formulas where everything is now, now, now and me, me, me which perverts and negates needs and openess to grow up, give, become communal and open minded, and integrate by sharing and changing for others as a routine of discipline and unselfishness.

There is no price for love, it feeds the heart, mind and soul yet you cannot weight, measure or tag it? The sunshine and moon rise and set everyday around the globe and do not fail us, just as the rain falls and the trees live with birdlife and wildlife, together.

The best and greatest gifts in life are free of charge!

By paul shelley on 2011 11 17 - 18:09:05

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By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 09:31:03
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 09:28:20
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Geoengineering.pdf

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 11 - 09:19:23
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Leonard Clampett,

the video you linked is a really old conglomerate of all sorts of claims that have been debunked ad nauseam.

What do you think is the ultimate proof for the existence of chemtrails?

Why should we have to assume there is such a thing like chemtrails? How are they different from contrails?

By Josh on 2013 04 10 - 06:59:34
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

http://realnewsworldwide.com/2008/09/10/chemtrails-ultimate-proof/

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 04 09 - 16:31:36
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

If you open the link you will see the reference to chemtrail area forecasts. The other link I wish to post is refused by the “Truth news” which claims it may be SPAM and “will be moderated”, probably because it mentions chemtrails in the link. However, I will try again by separating the words. http://www.chemtrail forecast.com/main.html

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 13 - 09:02:16
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Leonard Clampett,

about the link you posted - where is the relevance in the discussion about persistent contrails?

By Josh on 2013 03 13 - 08:50:08
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

http://www.haarpstatus.com/status.html

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 13 - 08:44:15
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Leonard Clampett,

after you consistently refused to accept the fact that fuel combustion generates more water than the equivalent of fuel burnt - even when a Qantas pilot confirmed this - I am highly skeptical of your “aviation life experience”. I hope you understand that.

So there are more explanations needed before your claims can be taken seriously.


1. How did you determine that the ambient conditions at the upper troposphere were not conducive to the formation of contrails this summer?

2. How did you determine the causal connection between trails and lack of rain?

3. How did you determine the altitude of the low trail that you saw? How can you be sure it was below the cumulus? Why not above (remember: 3D viewing up to 160m max)? Any pictures maybe?


If you want to do REAL research on the Internet, I strongly suggest to repeat every search query that you issue with the word “debunked” appended. That is the way to do proper research because you see both sides and their arguments. Don’t just fall for sensational claims.

Unfortunately, the Internet is loaded with bunk.

By Josh on 2013 03 02 - 18:06:10
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

Josh Anonymous,

You apparently do not do much research. Notice how, over the Eastern Australian summer, there have been many chemtrails coincident with usual weather patterns where obvious rain should have been the outcome had the chemtrails not been laid, and it was not, and this during the season when ambient conditions are not conducive to the formation of contrails. Chemtrails are entirely different to what you term “persistent contrails” as you would know if you had sufficient aviation life experience. You may try to explain how there was recently, and I have observed the same many times before, a chemtrail below a layer of fair weather Cu at 8,000 ft and how this could possibly occur without the laws of physics and thermodynamics being turned on their head. I suggest that you do an Internet search for the activities of Bill Gates and geoengineering.

By Leonard Clampett on 2013 03 02 - 13:51:00
From the entry 'Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?'.

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