How marvellous it would be if that “maybe he is best left alone” could be taken more seriously than other statements of Josh, but it can’t be: there will be no posting of mine here that will not draw a response from Josh along familiar lines.

I have never suffered anything as a result of chemtrails activism worse than on-line harassment from debunkers more skilful and resourceful than Josh. Of course there are the social consequences of the fact that no public forum that is not actually run by chemtrails activists can be without its Josh. On the other hand chemtrails activism suffers from its own serious internal political problems. Perhaps it is on this last-mentioned front that change is under way for the better. Let us hope so, for there is precious little else to feel optimistic about.

fenton pretends to be a seeker of 911 truth, that its ok to question and to doubt obvious inconsistencies in the official tale ( to a certain extent ) and to present evidence that shows it to be false, but to use the same approach with regards to aerosol pollution of the skies - is somehow outrageous! hypocritical chutzpah!

the last line of this article

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/01/humans-have-intentionally-modified-weather-for-military-purposes-and-climate-control-for-decades.html

says..

But whether or not persistent jet contrails are intentionally being created to affect climate or for military purposes or are an unintentional byproduct of flying a modern airplane is beyond the scope of this essay.

but, given the obvious truth in regard to 911, ie; they are not afraid to not only lie about it to pursue their agenda, whatever that may be, but to go to war on those lies murdering millions of innocent men women and children along the way, who were never a threat to anyone, not to mention the displacement, the maiming and crippling and sickening of millions more.. and the propensity for it to be never ending in the so called war on ( of ) terror..

and given the fact that it is something that has been done in the past.. on what basis does fenton/josh presume they ever stopped?

it is not unreasonable to be angry about the cover up and lies of 911, or what is going on over our heads, to say otherwise, to offer a biased personal unqualified opinion, under the banner of thruthnews, is entirely unreasonable.

Meagain,

if you want a discussion, stop the insults and humiliations. Simple as that.

Regarding my past statement about Wayne Hall: this was made after his first postings that were so strangely off-topic compared to others. By then I did not know that he regarded this as a “strategy”. So, yes, I got a wrong picture of him and I will gladly retract that statement.

Wayne Hall,

let’s return to your chemtrail epiphany moment. I gather from your tale that you supported the peace movement and that you took a critical stance regarding the military or even the government(s).

When you discovered your first chemtrails over Aegina, how did you arrive at the conclusion that what you saw was spraying of chemicals?
Had you read about chemtrails before?

Did your political view have any influence on your conclusion?

Meagain,

if you want a discussion, stop the insults and humiliations. Simple as that.

how stupid are you? ive told you before ive absolutely zero interest in your unqualified opinion. you might like to stop being so hypocritical though and try some of your own advice.

I second meagain. I am not interested in “discussion”, i.e. interrogation designed at confirming familiar and uninteresting hypotheses of a worthless person.

To those here who checked Hereward’s first source: (shared/media/document/AFD-051013-001.pdf)
Do you think the US airforce ever engages in disinformation?
And for those who looked into the sources for that pdf:
I wonder, does the IPCC ever lie?
No and No, probably. I have every faith in the veracity of all information from the US airforce and the IPCC.
I’m glad they could assuage my concern for our atmosphere. It’s not deliberately added Al, Ba or Sr in the atmosphere - what a spurious notion! It’s CO2, isn’t it. Just like the IPCC told us.
Well, I’m glad that we’re paying a tax to fix the problem. Good ol’ IPCC. Thank my lucky stars.

Wayne Hall said:

“... interrogation ...”

If you are accusing someone, you should be prepared to back up the accusation.

“... familiar and uninteresting hypotheses of a worthless person”

Instead of falling back to insults too, why don’t you point out the errors in the ‘hypotheses’?

Your “chemtrail epiphany” remark was insulting and was in its way as much of an accusation as the word “interrogation”. I am not going to move on to counterattack as I have been in the habit of doing in the past, because I want to conserve energy for more useful purposes than posting here.

Wayne Hall,

what I wrote was not meant as an insult. I may have been trying to be sarcastic though, which I regret now because I’m well aware that the issues we are ‘fighting’ over here have no small meaning for you.

I will try to keep my wording less feather-headed in future posts.

Wayne Hall,

furthermore there might have been a misunderstanding. I did not have “interrogation” in mind when I wrote about the accusation.

I referred to your claim that I somehow had provoked Skywatcher/Meagain. Again, my wording should have been clearer.

blah blah blah josh… stfu already..  you really are one who likes the sound of their own voice arent you?

you seem to feel people owe you explanations and answers for some reason.

ill spell it out for you lumpen..

interrogation : “let’s return to your chemtrail epiphany moment.”

how about.. NO. how about you just post some real evidence that proves there is nothing the millions of people worldwide have concerns about, is of no concern.

provocation : you continually pretend you are some sort of authority on this matter, and offer nothing of substance except your own unqualified opinion, ad nauseam!

not everyone is as stupid as you and fenton, and your attempts at discussing anything except facts through obfuscation, hair splitting, arguing technical minutia..  are transparently obvious - youre not fooling anyone.

no one owes you anything, no explanations, and no answers.. and no one is asking you anything.

youve said what you have to say.. countless times. fine.. we know youre too stupid to see or care whats going on around you, youve explained that sufficiently..

unless you have something else, that youve not said before.. its totally unnecessary to keep repeating yourself.

this comment doesnt require an answer or acknowledgement, and im not requesting one.

Here is some elaboration of the problem. 

The Greeks (perhaps not only the Greeks) have a saying that the fish rots from the head down. One of the side-effects of the mandatory and planet-wide duplicity that has been imposed in an awesomely systematic manner around these subjects of chemtrails/geoengineering/HAARP/weather modification is that every neighbourhood sociopath on the planet, aided and abetted by the Internet, is able to conceive of himself (we usually speak of males) as potential planetary saviour and certainly as someone who is necessary to the world.

Look at this interview with Pat Mooney taken in Italy by the chemtrails activist Maria Heibel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXNRB8NxD7o&feature=player_embedded

Mooney tells some lies, about chemtrails, and about chemtrails activists. Maria Heibel is fairly gentle on him, but less gentle than I would have been if I had been interviewing him, because if I were interviewing him (and perhaps I will do so in future) what I would talk to him about would be why climate change sceptics are unwilling to hold public discussions with him about geoengineering. After all, he is not a “conspiracy theorist” and not an untouchable. We tried to organize one such a discussion with the climate change sceptic John Christy, but Christy declined the invitation and tried to fob us off onto a similarly sceptic colleague, who did not even reply.
(to be continued)

Mooney, as indicated, tells lies, but it is my opinion until I have firmer evidence to the contrary that he is a genuine opponent of the plans of the geoengineers who has chosen a “realpolitik” approach predicated on conformity with key aspects of the prevailing disinformation.

I regard him as marking a borderline acceptability: activists can and should accept dialogue with him, responding intelligently and diplomatically to his dishonesty, and focusing rejection on the real opponents in the political arena (what can one do about those who are NOT in the political arean?): in other words those more accepting of geoengineering than Mooney, the Keiths, Caldeiras, etc.. These individuals should be designated war criminals, boycotted and shunned.

For conducting this interview with Mooney, Maria Heibel has turned herself into a pariah among chemtrails activists in Italy. To quote
her: “In this moment chemtrailers are against my group in Florence, it’s so crazy.I heard about discussions on facebook.
First reason was my interview with Mooney(who doesnt’ see what happens in the sky)  Second reason was our conference with Fabio Mini. http://www.nato.int/kfor/structur/whoswho/cv/bio_mini.htm
It was a very good meeting. But not for TankerEnemy who is the leader in Italy. For them and who is following him it’s time to take distance from us.”

These are the internal problems of the chemtrails activist movement. A person such as Josh, who has devoted so much time and energy to studying the related issues, for the perverse purpose of reinforcing the problem of that fish “rotting from the head down”, could, I suppose, by a mere decision, go from being part of the problem to being part of the solution.  I can see no reason not to do, unless in fact he is being paid to do what he does, in which case he may lose his income. I can see no other possible advantage in continuing forever in his present role of despicable, and not very talented, scumbag.

In any case even the talented chemtrails debunkers will, in the final analysis, be dispensable.

wayne - thankyou for all your work.  thank you for your comprehensive factual information and your eloquence in conveyance.

Thank you meagain. A new item of news. Yesterday and today there is a general strike in Greece. Yesterday air traffic controllers had a three-hour stoppage between 10 a.m. and 1 p.m.  All “conventional” air traffic was halted and timetables altered to take into account the stoppage. Throughout these three hours, however, chemtrail spraying planes continued their activity undisturbed.

The WW2 pic is a mere anecdote. WellAware1.com shows some WW2 pics being faked. More to the point, weather experiments in those days did happen.

Chemtrail science exists - samples, analyses; and documents exist - studies, patents, altered standards, whistleblower reports.

Samples of pristine snowfall show ridiculous levels of aluminum. ALUMINUM. That metal does not rain from the sky unless human beings first spray it up there.

Monsanto (“My Satan”) has patented ALUMINUM-resistant seeds. Explain to me why.

Trees are dying. Ask any forester. Guess what we find in them; ALUMINUM.

More science: Carnicom documents how official visibility standards were lowered by governments. Why? They are corrupting weather science - the very science you wish us to use to prove chemtrails.

Personal anecdotes. Anyone over 60 has memory you sprouts don’t. This bit is scary - young people grown up with chemtrails think them normalcy.

We saw crystal blue from horizon to horizon. I remember. Planes also flew then. Something changed. We saw plenty of real contrails, high in our clear skies. We know how contrails behaved, nothing like chemtrails. We don’t need formulae and calculators to remember. We never saw EM-induced, wavey clouds looking like oscilloscope readouts, or tic-tac-toe sky patterns looking like bad wallpaper, or thin lines that spread to fill the sky.

The dearly lost pilot Mike Glynn of Qantas hasn’t applied critical thinking well at all. I smell self importance and possible “secret” connections. Government types bamboozle the sheeple with science, like America’s own NIST regarding 9-11.

There are many more planes than the passenger kind, both jets and drones. The American CIA runs an entire air fleet of some notoriety, all off-books, with a presence down under at that. The various air forces worldwide naturally have their bases, public and secret. No passengers travel through them save military. The point: that’s a lot of planes, none manned by commercial pilots, but by people under orders and secrecy oaths.

Still for our dear, lost Mr. Glynn, I shall quote a commercial passenger jet mechanic as follows.

‘If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight. I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been “hollowed out” to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through these fake wicks.’

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=1769

interesting not that - but that doesnt surprise me at all wayne..

most often, when i see overhead activity where i live…

nothing shows up here..
http://www.flightradar24.com/

though..  i can point out an aircraft displaying a contrail that disappears almost immediately.. and that one shows up on screen..

ive just got off the phone with a friend whos moved to a place slightly south of darwin.. ( yes, i have a friend..  despite my cranky disposition i only have to pay him a pittance monthly ) i originally informed him of my concern about chemtrails a couple of years ago i think, and though skeptical at first, which is a good thing always, thats why its called healthy skepticism.. i think he now shares my concerns, but he mentioned hes noticed no trails at all where he is now.

i found that interesting, because on a recent drive half way across australia and back, i encountered spraying all the way.. there and back.. ( the good thing was a lot of signs nailed to trees along the way, saying “chemtrails! look up!” that and a lot of signs on farms warning of fracking )

not knowing the reasons why… what is going on, is going on, one is left to theorise.. and at the risk of being condemned as a theorist, i do wonder why this might be so..  the lack of trails i mean. are they poisoning us.. is it to control the weather.. through haarp.. is it monsanto trying to make their seeds the only viable ones..  ?

although i live in a remote area, i am in what can be described as a food bowl, and though not under a busy commercial flight path, we get lots of action…. artificial cloud wise.. he did mention the fact that there are military bases around him.. i wonder if that may be a reason for exemption, or if its determined by population, or if certain geography has any influence.

just thought id share, just for the sake of it, because i know nothing is going to ever be solved on an internet site like this one, the only solution, is for argument from both sides, to be thrashed out in some sort of official inquiry,

but as in the case of 911… for gawds sake.. if we dont have enough evidence by now to prove weve been lied to, and for some sort of inquiry to be established..we never will.. so.. still there is no justice.. 

so - im far from optimistic, even if the majority know the truth about chemtrails/geoengineering… as is currently the case with 911, that any justice will ever be done.

but my pessimism is no reason to not call out blatant misinformation, obfuscation, or flat out lies whenever i see them. if thats the least i can do, in my own cantankerous, obnoxious to some, fashion,  then so be it.

by the way, im still waiting to be endlessly taunted prepubescently as promised.. hello? fenton/ you there? ( i do hope he wasnt lying about that too :( )

re dying trees, that is also something that was noted and commented on on my recent trip across the country…

it seemed totally inexplicable how whole swathes of trees, young and old, seemed to have been suddenly, recently,,  ( you could still see all the dead leaves clinging )

killed…

thanks for your comments emma

*interesting notE that - but that doesnt surprise me at all wayne..

usually i dont bother correcting typos, but that one bothered me..

my keyboard tells me its because i type too fast, it cant keep up..

anyway..  while im here ill just say how pleased i am to see that hereward has dedicated a whole new thread and hours of audio to his unqualified gormless opinion… haw fascinating.. but if he really wanted to impress anyone who has the misfortune of stumbling across this so called blog… he couldve instead posted something substantial to back up what he was saying right here.. instead of trying to lead to conversation elsewhere..

having said that.. herewards radio personality ( lol, or lack of it- lets say :style” for want also of a better word.. ) reminds me of another… it happens to be one “jon faine”—-> tinyurl (dot) com/byhkkcs

*edit… to avoid moderation oblivion i altered the url